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11-20-2019 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Deeply Miserable
hits,

Did you look at the pastebin? There are obvious errors. I don't think anyone would attempt to gaslight this, but here we are.
Our Props Division bet them and they were winning. From what I saw, all looked good. Edges seemed to be overestimated, but if you think you have a 25% edge, bet your kelly stake for a 2% edge, and you actually have a 7% edge, is anybody complaining?
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11-20-2019 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Deeply Miserable

The real value is in explaining how models are actually built. Not in Poogs trying to scam reddit idiots, but how to actually move beyond just quick and dirty back of the napkin (which makes a ton of money depending on your outs).



I made two new connections from reddit, both of whom I had a good relationship with. I can easily have them vouch for me. So, again, if you want to bet on these things you say, we can very easily make that happen. Or you can be the kind of guy who spouts off about everyone and everything but backs down when challenged to a bet...twice

And btw everyone...I dont like this anymore than you do. I dont wanna be going back and forth with this very clearly deranged and obsessive person (who is banned from this entire forum, by the way). But he mentions me in almost every single post, tells lies about me, backs down when challenged to perfectly reasonable bets to prove hes a liar, then does it again.
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11-20-2019 , 02:54 PM
MTL Jeff Petry o2.5 +140
MTL Joel Armia o2.5 +121
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11-20-2019 , 08:08 PM
Hey all, been lurking for a while, thought I'd join in.

I saw a few pages back people were down on 2nd half models. I'm going to try one anyways for basketball, anyone care to share frustrations with their past attempts?
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11-20-2019 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CodythePATRIOT
I want to give you another example. So in the LC thread you made post about how you felt you had gotten into a bad business deal because your friend talked you into it. I thought that was an interesting point and made a mental note, I have done the same process for a handful of your other posts addressing topics such as: autonomy, free will, choice, independence and other topics that you have both addressed directly or addressed by proxy. Who knows when or if I will ever have to use this mental note but in my lifetime I feel it will come in handy at some point and save me a great deal of pain.

So that's kind another purpose that this thread presents: an open exchange of ideas in work that can at times be monotonous.
not sure what you are trying to insinuate here but ok..
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11-20-2019 , 11:39 PM
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MTL Jeff Petry o2.5 +140 WIN +1.40
MTL Joel Armia o2.5 +121 LOSS -1.00
Daily: 1-1-0, +0.40u
YTD: 89-102-0, -22.98u, 224.42u risked, -10.2% ROI
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11-21-2019 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by lvr
not sure what you are trying to insinuate here but ok..
I wasn't implying anything, it just seems like a hassle/pain in the ass. Wasn't commenting on your personal life.
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11-21-2019 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ButHowCouldILose?
Hey all, been lurking for a while, thought I'd join in.

I saw a few pages back people were down on 2nd half models. I'm going to try one anyways for basketball, anyone care to share frustrations with their past attempts?
Attempted this for livebetting NCAA totals many years ago, but wasn’t necessarily modeling anything. I did learn some things but probably not enough to beat halftime lines. Pm me if you wanna chat though.
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11-21-2019 , 07:23 AM
hits,

Good to know that your whole rant of insanity doesn't even address the factual point I made. Keep on gaslighting.
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11-21-2019 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ButHowCouldILose?
Hey all, been lurking for a while, thought I'd join in.

I saw a few pages back people were down on 2nd half models. I'm going to try one anyways for basketball, anyone care to share frustrations with their past attempts?
Even if you end up building something unique that works, the speed with which the best stuff gets taken out will crush your spirit. Tbf this is true of almost everything in 2019 but pick a market that doesn't require you to sit around on your ass all/day night hoping for something to happen.
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11-21-2019 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Iowa!
Even if you end up building something unique that works, the speed with which the best stuff gets taken out will crush your spirit. Tbf this is true of almost everything in 2019 but pick a market that doesn't require you to sit around on your ass all/day night hoping for something to happen.
Just look at the rat race that CFB and CBB have become with <$500 openers. It was bad enough at $500, but now racing a bunch of bots to pick off $250 openers?

Think Poogs has the right idea. Make shitty model that can't beat any WA line, bet it into PPH stale lines, proclaim self expert, take money from even dumber people.
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11-21-2019 , 01:08 PM
atrainpsu, thanks for the offer, but want to just chat about it here? My account is too new for pm's and seems like others are intersted anyways.

Glad to hear others have tried. I don't have the same pessimism though, limits on 2nd half can be large. Also I've been looking at 2nd half live lines and there's a fair bit of disagreement across sites, makes me think there's room to breathe.
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11-21-2019 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ButHowCouldILose?
atrainpsu, thanks for the offer, but want to just chat about it here? My account is too new for pm's and seems like others are intersted anyways.

Glad to hear others have tried. I don't have the same pessimism though, limits on 2nd half can be large. Also I've been looking at 2nd half live lines and there's a fair bit of disagreement across sites, makes me think there's room to breathe.
Seems like you already have it all figured out, and there is for sure a lot of $ in NFL/NBA 2Hs if you model it better than literally everyone else. Go get it imo.
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11-21-2019 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Iowa!
Seems like you already have it all figured out, and there is for sure a lot of $ in NFL/NBA 2Hs if you model it better than literally everyone else. Go get it imo.
Allright, I will!

Seriously though, isn't that the goal for every bet? If it wasn't, we wouldn't have anything to bet.
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11-21-2019 , 04:24 PM
CBJ Boone Jenner u2.5 -165
VAN Bo Horvat u2.5 +100
VAN Brock Boeser u2.5 +132
STL Brayden Schenn u2.5 -148
TBL Brayden Point o2.5 +144
TOR Tyson Barrie o2.5 +144
ARI Phil Kessel u2.5 -107
ARI Clayton Keller u2.5 -148
VGK Shea Theodore o2.5 +149
SJS Evander Kane o3.5 +129
SJS Timo Meier o2.5 +100

Risking 12.68u
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11-22-2019 , 12:53 AM
If you're looking to beat bad openers 2H is where its at. I've seen crazy moves in < 30 seconds.
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11-22-2019 , 02:26 AM
Speaking of CBB totals. Does anyone know what the final score of Notre dame game actually was. I had a couple bets graded saying final was 64-59. My friend was watching and said maybe the final shot was waived off but all major media outlets say 64-62.
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11-22-2019 , 10:27 AM
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CBJ Boone Jenner u2.5 -165 LOSS -1.65
VAN Bo Horvat u2.5 +100 WIN 1
VAN Brock Boeser u2.5 +132 LOSS -1
STL Brayden Schenn u2.5 -148 LOSS -1.48
TBL Brayden Point o2.5 +144 WIN 1.44
TOR Tyson Barrie o2.5 +144 LOSS -1
ARI Phil Kessel u2.5 -107 LOSS -1.07
ARI Clayton Keller u2.5 -148 LOSS -1.48
VGK Shea Theodore o2.5 +149 WIN 1.49
SJS Evander Kane o3.5 +129 LOSS -1
SJS Timo Meier o2.5 +100 LOSS -1
Daily: 3-8-0, -5.75u
YTD: 92-110-0, -28.73u, 237.1u risked, -12.1% ROI

So hard to win a few meager units. So easy to take a bath and spew treble damage. Is this prop unbeatable?
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11-22-2019 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ButHowCouldILose?
atrainpsu, thanks for the offer, but want to just chat about it here? My account is too new for pm's and seems like others are intersted anyways.

Glad to hear others have tried. I don't have the same pessimism though, limits on 2nd half can be large. Also I've been looking at 2nd half live lines and there's a fair bit of disagreement across sites, makes me think there's room to breathe.
If youre finding enough disagreement (ie. Book A o/u 74, Book B o/u 75 the model isn’t even the important part. You just need to be able to figure out whether to bet u75 or o74.
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11-22-2019 , 02:44 PM
...which is what the model is for
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11-22-2019 , 02:56 PM
Susquehanna quant funds getting into sports betting hired 20 people to work in Ireland according to Bloomberg.
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11-22-2019 , 04:34 PM
OTT Thomas Chabot o2.5 -102
NJ Nico Hischier u2.5 -202
PIT Evgeni Malkin u2.5 +135
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11-22-2019 , 06:19 PM
This sounds good buddy. When can we get started with 2H Betting? I agree with all the comments so far in that there is good opportunity due to limits and mispricings, it's going to be frustrating getting lines, and a total time sink. Sounds like it will fit right in here.
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11-22-2019 , 08:18 PM
I see CG got bought out by William Hill and will transition early next year. That sucks. WH is taking over out here!
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11-23-2019 , 01:39 AM
Spoiler:
OTT Thomas Chabot o2.5 -102 WIN 1
NJ Nico Hischier u2.5 -202 WIN 1
PIT Evgeni Malkin u2.5 +135 LOSS -1
Daily: 2-1-0, +1.0u
YTD: 94-111-0, -27.73u, 241.14u risked, -11.5% ROI
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