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12-15-2020 , 01:05 PM
over hitting before the 3rd quarter is over. classic eurocup. why do we bet this trash
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12-15-2020 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatBodog
I knew there had to be someone on here who had the opposite haha. I didn't watch the game so didn't realize Jackson left for almost a full quarter so perhaps I was actually a bit lucky to be winning those bets before the last drive, idk. I also had Jackson under completions which was helped immensely by him pooping for almost a full quarter.
I was getting pissed at Lamar. He had Snead for 2 easy completions earlier in the game and missed em both.
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12-15-2020 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DefNotRsigley
Log5 is a specific case of the Bradley-Terry model. You can change how you maximize the model, take a Bayesian approach, adjust for dependent data, etc. can also use logistic regression, ordinary regression, thurstonian, etc.

They're all similar.

Log5 really falls apart at the tails (they're fatter than binomial). So it tends to have issues if one team/person is significantly better than someone else and it predicts things like close events happening less often.

Some things to think about adjusting for too is the quality of the faceoff opponent.

Was going to look at it today but fell asleep so maybe tomorrow. I need to make some adjustments too for the non neutral faceoffs. I know it doesn't matter for what we are interested in but if I'm putting the data in might as well do it right. I'm guessing teams switch sides every period? So in 1 period what was home side would be away side in the 2nd?

Euroleague tomorrow:
Zvezda -7.4
Ulker +4.5
Madrid/Panathinaikos o161.5
Yeah if two players are similar it'll underestimate the advantage for the better player, but then sometimes you get some ridiculous thing like player A -240 vs player B. I don't think it makes much difference as a practical matter. I tracked the winrate for a couple years and it was ridiculous so I just bet it and don't really think twice.
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12-15-2020 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DefNotRsigley
over hitting before the 3rd quarter is over. classic eurocup. why do we bet this trash
because we hate money guys.
we. hate. money.
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12-15-2020 , 02:39 PM
Okay I think I figured out to know if we are in home or away with faceoffs.

There's a rink side variable in there for each period. I'm assuming left corresponds to a negative x value and right a positive x value.

So if home is left in period 1 and x is negative, I coded the faceoff as occurring in the home zone which means they are on defense (less ice behind them) and other team is in a favorable attacking position (3/4th of the ice behind them).

And then if y < 0 coded as bottom of the ice, y > 0 top.

then I got

Winner, Winner Team, Winner HomeAway
Loser, LoserTeam, Loser HomeAway
Period
Time of the period the face off was
location
and the score at the time

The API only has data from 2016 season on. Been running the full bot (when I ran it yesterday I just did it for a month of data to test it out) for a couple hours now and we are only at 10/27/17. Hopefully will be done tonight and we can all dig in. If the proportion stays the same we are looking at 350k or so faceoffs!

Since I was doing the API Calls already I'm also pulling all the goalie stats, linescores, playerStats, and teamStats.

Kinda regret not doing play by play now that I'm seeing how long it's taking. Could have just spend an hour on that and not wasted 8 hours of api calls.
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12-15-2020 , 02:56 PM
I got 288k faceoffs in my db (starting 16-17 season), I don't scrape pre & post season. Probably should.
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12-15-2020 , 03:13 PM
oh yep i just did them all. if you do it in the ID the 5th and 6 digit correspond to pre, reg, post

01 = pre
02 = reg
03 = post

so just substring the thing and map it

i also have a season field so can filter out pre season if you don't want it

what happened to ulker

23 points in 2 quarters. then milano can't score in the 4th so ulker scores a whole 6 points in 5 minutes
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12-15-2020 , 04:56 PM
Maybe this real madid game can get to 2nd OT and hit the over
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12-15-2020 , 05:03 PM
In b4 second OT ends 2-0.
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12-15-2020 , 05:04 PM
0 points in the first minute so that seems likely.
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12-15-2020 , 05:27 PM
Hey something worked out for us. Thanks Real Madrid for the collapse. Almost cancels out the Zvezda collapse. Or Partizan scoring 2 points in the first 6 minutes of the 4th and pushing. Or Ulker existing.


Euroleague:
Zvezda -7.4 LOSS -1.1
Ulker +4.5 LOSS -1.1
Madrid/Panathinaikos o161.5 WIN +1
Zalgiris -2 WIN +1
Zalgiris/Baskonia o155 WIN +1

Eurocup:
Partizan +2 PUSH
Venezia +3.5 LOSS -1.1 (only lost by 34!)
Venezia/Bahcesehir u160 LOSS -1.1

Champions League:
Cholet +6 WIN +1
Hapoel Holon -2.5 WIN +1
Nymburk/Keravnos o163.5 WIN +1

Yesterday: 6-4-1 +1.6u
YTD: 36-30-2 +3u

Looking forward to tomorrows eurocup games
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12-15-2020 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatBodog
Euroleague 12/15

Moscow -5 WIN
Baskonia +2 -105 LOSS
Panathinaikos +7 WIN
Ulker +4.5 LOSS (We are 3̶-̶0̶ 3-1 on picks that agree with sig's model. Jinxed it )

YTD 5-4 +0.85
2-2 -0.15

YTD 7-6 +0.7

Thought I was going to lose pana +7 during one of those OTs but we secured the over and pana +7
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12-15-2020 , 06:56 PM
What’s looking good on Pinnys TNF props?
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12-15-2020 , 07:44 PM
Thoughts on:

Renfrow yds u52.5 -122 and rec u4.5 -120
Jalen Richard yds o7.5 -120 and rec o1.5 +132
Booker yds o6.5 -119 and rec o1.5 +148
Henry o38.5 yds -123
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12-15-2020 , 08:04 PM


we may have broke the 1 gig VPS we rolled up yesterday for this. NHL is too hard. Only at 56% after 9 hours
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12-15-2020 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatBodog
Thoughts on:

Renfrow yds u52.5 -122 and rec u4.5 -120
Jalen Richard yds o7.5 -120 and rec o1.5 +132
Booker yds o6.5 -119 and rec o1.5 +148
Henry o38.5 yds -123
I was looking at Henry too. Dig those Renfrow lines.

These were what I had my eyes on so far:

Ekeler o37.5 RecYd -121
Ekeler o5.5 Rec +103
Ekeler o56.5 RuYd-119
Henry o38.5 RecYd -123
Henry o3.5 Rec -176

Also curious why the Zay Jones lines are so high, really want these unders but I’m guessing there’s an injury I don’t know about


2.5 receptions, 27.5 yards and 15.5 long.

Any thoughts on these Zay Jones lines?
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12-15-2020 , 08:38 PM
Zay Jones hasn't gotten starter snaps since week 4.

However Ruggs is on the covid list, he won't play. Agholor is healthy. Renfrow is healthy. Edwards is healthy.

Ruggs has been getting ~40+ snaps per game that have to go somewhere so I guess that's where the Jones line is coming from. He's got hands carved from stone though so I can't argue against smashing the under blindly.
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12-15-2020 , 08:51 PM
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Zay Jones hasn't gotten starter snaps since week 4.

However Ruggs is on the covid list, he won't play. Agholor is healthy. Renfrow is healthy. Edwards is healthy.

Ruggs has been getting ~40+ snaps per game that have to go somewhere so I guess that's where the Jones line is coming from. He's got hands carved from stone though so I can't argue against smashing the under blindly.
I maxed all 3 of his unders. I hope I’m golden.

Edit: Wow Sharps must have hammered ASAP. His lines were taken down.

Last edited by The Bukafax; 12-15-2020 at 09:01 PM.
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12-15-2020 , 09:57 PM
Double post because Zay Jones lines are back on.

They dropped quite a bit. 1.5 for receptions at worse odds then I got for 2.5. Yards went from 27.5 to 21.5 and longest went from 15.5 long to 12.5 long.
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12-15-2020 , 11:42 PM
12/16 Euroleague

Lyon +4 -115 (fair +1)
Barca -11 (fair -16)

YTD 7-6 +0.7

Last edited by BadBeatBodog; 12-16-2020 at 12:05 AM.
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12-16-2020 , 09:28 AM
So much eurocup today

Euroleague:
Khimki/Barcelona o164.5
Lyon +4
Valencia +3.5

Eurocup:
Kuban -6.5
Cedevita/Promitheas o161.5
MoraBanc Andorra/Lietabelis u155.5
Mornar Bar/Buducnost o158

Champions:
Bakken Bears/Sassari o176

Italy:
Treviso -4

Last edited by fkjlhfdkjhkj.; 12-16-2020 at 09:39 AM. Reason: typo
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12-16-2020 , 09:37 AM
Kuban game went OTB. Guessing the entire team has covid
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12-16-2020 , 09:55 AM
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Kuban game went OTB. Guessing the entire team has covid
re-opened -13.5 lol
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12-16-2020 , 10:00 AM
ouch. I won't count it since it went OTB a couple minutes after I posted. I dunno who is out for Monaco so wouldn't bet it at -13.5. Still OTB at BM.

Can't wait to lose it even with 7 point advantage.
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12-16-2020 , 11:11 AM
anyone got news what is going on in that game? can't find anything about covid

only idea is AS monaco already qualified for the round of 16 and could be resting players?
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