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Coughlin sucks? Or does he? Try your luck at being a Game manager here.... Coughlin sucks? Or does he? Try your luck at being a Game manager here....

12-03-2007 , 12:21 PM
Well Coughlin sucks in general, but I wanted to address his handling of the last 97 seconds or so of the game yesterday as a few people have brought it up.

I state by way of background that inissint and I have had conversations about this type of situation, and we both agree that with all of the millions that teams spend on players, they should invest 100k a year in someone whose sole job is to manage specialty situations such as time management, challenges etc. We have called this position a "game manager". Furthermore, it is my belief that this person should NOT be AT the game itself. He should be watching it on a TV in a controlled envirmonment away from all of the commotion so he wont be subject to the yelling and frenzy of the sidelines and/or coaching booth. We feel that in general, teams are just abysmal at time management and challenges and just the small stuff that actually has HUGE impact on outcomes.

So you want to be a GAME MANAGER???????????? Here you go......

Apparently the Giants were trailing by 2 points, and at the Bears 2 with 1:37 to go, with the Bears having 1 remaining timeout. The Giants actually scored a td, kicked it away, and were on their hands and knees to hold of the Bears at the end.

Lets look at some examples of what the giants could have done...

a.Take knees and kick a fg on the last play:

They could have taken a knee on 1st, bears use time out, clock at 1:33...then 2 more knees, and assuming they futz around enough before the 40 sec clock starts up, they can kick a final FG with between 3-8 secs left, and then:

a (1): squib kick and fade a stanford/cal special
a(2): kick deep to hester and fade a hesterment
a (3): kick it out of bounds and fade a grossman 60 yr hail mary or
a(3)(1): a grossman hail mary which gets a pass interference and then a grossmanament.


b.Try to score on play 1 as they did and engage in one of the aforemntioned kickoff variations but now have to fade a 1:33 drive with one timeout.

c.Run it into the line, make the bears take their last time out, then take 1 knee, run clock to 40 secs, then try to run it in on 3rd down...

c(1): If no score on 3rd down, kick fg at the buzzer and fade nothing.
c(2): If score a td, then squib kick or kick away as before, and fade a 33 sec drive for a td with no timeouts.


What % chance of success do you imagine each variation has?
Maybe there are some others ?

PLEASE TRY TO PRETEND THAT THE SPREAD IS NOT AN ISSUE JUST FOR THE TIME BEING PLEASE?????



Wellington (sheets) Mara Jr.
Center of Religious Studies
Linkoping Univ.
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12-03-2007 , 12:27 PM
Scenario "A" isn't an option. This was discussed this on another forum...we determined 2% chance to miss a FG from 5 yard line. 10% chance for Bears to score a TD with 1 timeout and 90 seconds. Therefore, Coughlin was 5 times more likely to lose by going with the scenario he chose.

Another questionable call, which a "Game Manager" would've recommended is going for 2 points. There is no difference between a lead of 4 or a lead of 5. However, a lead of 6 would mean they would need to kick an extra point to win.
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12-03-2007 , 12:48 PM
no way on that torn up field under that pressure he makes that kick 49/50 times...I dont care how short it is....I would say 85%-90%.
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12-03-2007 , 01:06 PM
A or C obv. Running it in on the first play is just horrible and it amazes me how people who are supposedly the best in the world at what they do, with so much riding on it, continue to make these same mistakes in situations that come up all the time.
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12-03-2007 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by domer2
Scenario "A" isn't an option. This was discussed this on another forum...we determined 2% chance to miss a FG from 5 yard line. 10% chance for Bears to score a TD with 1 timeout and 90 seconds. Therefore, Coughlin was 5 times more likely to lose by going with the scenario he chose.

Another questionable call, which a "Game Manager" would've recommended is going for 2 points. There is no difference between a lead of 4 or a lead of 5. However, a lead of 6 would mean they would need to kick an extra point to win.
There is a difference between 4 and 5. If the Bears score their TD (Hester runs back the KO for example) that point makes a huge difference.
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12-03-2007 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sheetsworld

a (1): squib kick and fade a stanford/cal special
a(2): kick deep to hester and fade a hesterment
a (3): kick it out of bounds and fade a grossman 60 yr hail mary or
a(3)(1): a grossman hail mary which gets a pass interference and then a grossmanament.
I really enjoyed the way this part was written.
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12-03-2007 , 05:31 PM
TEST OUT THEM NEW MOVE THREAD BUTTONS PERF!
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12-03-2007 , 05:44 PM
Well Indy is 1 out of 2 using B scenerio. Chocked off the chip shot field goal against SD and completely destroyed the Chiefs a week later. Dungy did not waver after missing the "sure FG".

Giants couldn't have done it worse. They run it in on the first play and then kick off normally to Hester. Sure it worked but oh well.

For sheer likely hood of securing a win I vote B hands down. If you run down the clock you are going to be in the 96 - 97% range of winning the game. 3 or 4% of the time you will miss the kick or have something stupid happen on the kick off.
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12-03-2007 , 06:15 PM
Coughlin did a terrible job, but thank god he did cause he covered the spread. Ship the sherbert
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12-03-2007 , 09:46 PM
I'll tell you which scenario results in the Giants being 100% sure of being ahead at one point in the game, the one Coughlin chose because the Bears let him walk into the endzone.

FYI: Tynes has missed two PATs this year and counting.
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12-03-2007 , 10:42 PM
It's the Sex Cannon. He was marginally better than Manning yesterday.
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12-04-2007 , 02:00 AM
As hard as it is to do for us poker guys you just have to grade the clock/game management stuff on a curve because every coach sucks at it.
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