Email screenshots of withdrawals on 4 year old account (~30 withdrawals): https://imgur.com/a/tUUxi0e
Email screenshots of deposits on 4 year old account johncoltrane44@gmail.com (~200 deposits): https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG
Spreadsheet of deposits and withdrawals of johncoltrane44@gmail.com with links to each imgur: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing



This means I'm still down over .9 bitcoins even if I was paid out, yet cloudbet said in their post on the subject that i had withdrawn more than my deposits. clearly this is untrue. also in the past they have delayed like this and ended up paying, in similar cases. all i ask is they look at this info again, now that this info has come to light, so they can see they're making a mistake, and that I should be due my deposits back.

i have provided evidence that this is false (above). awaiting cloudbets response

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Ethically no, but legally yes and the word rob should not be used here because they mentioned it clearly on their ToS so they can freeze and terminate your account without any further questions.Thi is not new, traditional banks are doing this, coinbase done this and lot other crypto related platform terminate your account and release your funds or not is based on their own decision and literally you can't force them to give the money back because you are broken now.
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I also want to change my tone and apologize to Cloudbet for breaking their TOS and providing false information.

I still would like a response to the new info that is coming to light now that I am bringing all the facts to the table. I appreciate any understanding and forgiveness from Cloudbet and the community as well for being angry and accusatory when I was the one breaking terms of service.

Strong TBAB vibes here.

what's that?

and yeah, I need to get help if I get this money back. I am really struggling right now, this is total rock bottom for me. I gotta find a way to turn my life around. I can't be around the people trying to take the money from me like the bookies, sportsbooks, casinos, poker playing. This was such a bad idea to throw my money around like this. I would have been so much better off just not gambling in the first place starting 15 years ago when I picked up the sickness playing poker in college in NYC.

I'm going to let this case sort of play out. I hope people learn from what not to do in life as well as when disputing a case. At least I came clean and left it documented for everyoen to see. Need a break, I don't even see how I'm going to survive another day- dealing with major F'ing depression through all of it.

Total net worth= $170 cash. Nothing on my debit cards, everything is gone.Just what they are holding- the $15,000 minus the $3,000 mis-grade. Time to get a job and move on with my life. I don't care what anyone wants to say about "you're not gonna quit". You tell me that, you're instantly cut off.

So sick and tired of this gambling life. I'll let this thread play out but I'm mostly going to be dealing with this on Bitcointalk because of the community pressure over there. I'm not doing well to say the least. Haven't even left my house today, though I need to go look for a cashier job or something.

Good luck all. Thanks for hearing out my case.

In order to literally save my life, I have to start moving on. I fear what I will do if I keep having to deal with this madness. I may update upon a resolution but other than that, I'm struggling to keep going with this one. I'm willing to forego the $15,000 in order to truly save my life because I don't think I can take this any more.

You should probably self exclude from any venues where you can gamble whether in person or online

Best of luck with your recovery

Efxes now has blocked all communication from me, after I spent hours of my time helping him with this case, so I am formally withdrawing my support from him.

You can't expect help from people if you treat them like dirt.

What exactly is in the water up there in the Bay Area?

We've resolved this, I support him again, let's help him sports betting community, this isn't right, he should at least get something, it's not right to completely rob someone over this.

Ur one of my good friends man i apologize. you know how crazy I get, everyone knows who knows me. I gotta use this money to start a new life and work through my problems slowly. I obviously sub-consciouslly didn't care about losing this huge amount by breaking TOS. I need to get a grip.

Thank you for accepting my apologies.

Look at all these VIP emails. They got me hooked on the site 2 years ago and then told USA customers they had to leave , so I made a new account 18 months later , the last time i did anything on the site was january 2019 then i made an account in I think June of 2020 and used VPN. Then I won some money, withdrew, and wound up re-depositing a few times, and then the last deposit has been confiscated (67 BCH or about $15,000 has been confiscated minus a .26 bitcoin mis-grade).


Here's an imgur post with some VIP emails like below on the first account from VIP account manager Andy
https://imgur.com/a/UyE5lng

lol the beast is back! You little scammer you. You aren’t helping yourself with these insane posts my man

I can confirm it's not beast, this is a different person

Still no word from cloudbet about the updated info about actually being a loser on their site and feeling they shouldn't wait for a winning account that they know might be breaking TOS to deposit/lose a large amount then upon cashout freeze the account confiscating funds and freerolling whatever last deposits were made by that account.

I am hoping they do the right thing and return the money I sent that day.

I am further awaiting any updates on the case from team Cloudbet. I will keep the thread updated, however I have not received any response from Curacao gaming or Cloudbet in weeks, especially after presenting the updated facts and coming forth under my own accord to the community with provable facts with evidence, as some is listed above and will update as more info comes out. No problem, I understand these things take time and the delay is my fault due to presenting mis-leading facts and falsities, and blaming others for my own faults.


Total account balance on the day was around $25,000 in bitcoin cash sent in the 24 hour period, and a $15,000 (67 BCH) cashout minus the $3,000 (.26 bitcoin) mis-grade which shouldn't be as hard as it has been to figure out.


Will keep the community updated and appreciate your continued support.


I have emailed cloudbet and curacao gaming the following statements:
Haven't gotten an email back except canned response, but I am sending this statement from a previous case (the 330btc case I believe) about being honest, co-operating, and doing whatever they need me to do in order to co-operate.

[size=15pt]Whatever I can do to co-operate from this point forward please let me know. I apologize for any blaming and overreactions and overreaching previously. I want to do what it takes to resolve this and co-operate fully with Curacao and Cloudbet. Thank you.
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I also included this with all of the notations from the important points about cooperation and precedent of past cases with account balances (they returned the winning balance and deposit of the past cases with co-operation)


Other than that I am awaiting any word from Cloudbet on the updated facts and appreciate that these things take time to sort through, though I am confident we can come to a resolution with proper communication and have my confidence in Cloudbet especially given the past resolutions to cases after some back and forth with getting the facts right and co-operation.

Cloudbet:[b][size=12pt][font=Verdana]I am willing to cooperate fully in order to get this resolved and be 100% honest and forthright as I haven't been provably honest previously- and will do what it takes to co-operate and provide an accurate story. I appreciate your understanding and accepting any apologies for mis-behavior in the process of trying to get this resolved. I am willing to co-operate in whatever way you see fit in alignment with Curacao gaming as well. Thank you.[/font][/size]

Oh these poor customer service people who must have to deal with you. I pity their souls.