Efxes (me) claimed to be in Mexico (ala Gordon Vayo) but long story short, Cloudbet is trying to basically say I had profited $30k on the account so they can wait for my last deposits ($20k in deposits the day I went to cash out the last $15k) and freeze the account after a long history of depositing and withdrawing.

Effectively freerolling. If I don't lose it betting, they'll take it by force and cite that the deposits in the lifetime of the account were less than the withdrawals.




Even if I was in the USA at the time, why is a sportsbook allowed to be called legit and stuff and freeroll a winning account for their last deposits? This puts any winning account in danger in the industry, meaning they could cite any term to negate their action.

This all started because a wager on Benoit Paire was pushed instead of lost due to a retire in the 2nd set about a couple weeks ago. The mis-grade was for about $3,000, while there was $30,000 sitting in the account. The site wanted to say that every bet should be voided from that bet on since I didn't inform the sports team of the mis-grade. So a $3,000 wager should be able to cause all of the action from then on for two days to be voided if my account is $30,000 but the mis-grade is $3,000? They don't want that to come to light, so they are trying to say this is all because I provided my permanent residence address in the USA and this gives them the right to not return my last deposits.

I've filed complaints everywhere, with licensing, with mediators, nobody can do anything. In fact, Cloudbet is still phishing for deposits.
https://medium.com/@drivingforpennie...s-fcbae7016dd0

Take a look at the many scams cloudbet has pulled over the years, I need to add many more to this list.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5279500.0
They frequently roll players for small five figure sums. This is a list of 30+ scams that are unresolved by Cloudbet.

They have shill accounts and reputation management accounts on every major forum, funded by the funds they are stealing from players using absurd tactics. The mis-graded wager was likely on purpose.

Not only this, it is my fault but I have since blown my entire bankroll due to stress from the situation. There is absolutely no excuse to this, especially if I want to be more serious about sports betting- but the situation has left me in a very bad spot- something I will have to learn from and not be affected by someone getting over on me. I've learned to deal with gambling losses better over the years, however when stolen from I don't deal with it well internally.

Please any suggestions will help.

Someone from bitcointalk has created a site called https://cloudbetscams.com which apparently its servers were hacked into last night and so he is putting it back up today. Someone brute forced the root password for the server and is still trying to brute force the new one, and he's had to wipe the server and restrict the range of IP's allowed to access the server panel.

Cloudbet is doing everything they can to avoid paying out the $15,000. Sports betting and casino wagering is probably really stagnant at this point, less sports of all types and less money to wager with due to the virus situation. Not only that, but there are more and more competitors in the crypto-currency space and for this reason I think they are back to scamming like they were over a year ago.

DO NOT EVER GIVE YOUR ACTION TO CLOUDBET FOR WHAT YOU SEE HERE THEY WILL PULL ON A WINNING ACCOUNT. Mis-graded wagers voiding future bets, KYC's flagging any IP, and even just coming up with stuff out of their hat about bot software betting, syndicate betting, or even multi-accounting without any evidence.

House always wins? I hope they lose. I hope nobody ever deposits to this scambook again.

Is there any way to get my last deposits back? It's not fair.

This part is confusing, can you show the correspondence from them about this mis-grade? I don't see how it relates to the current situation, they said in their post that cuz you cashed out more than you won, they consider it closed. So what would it matter at this point that they tried to void some action? That was before, right?

That was the reason they froze the account, because they saw the mis-grade in the BTC balance made the BTC balance go negative -.26 while I was withdrawing 67 BCH in the main balance, they froze the account asked for KYC and tried to take the deposits citing that the account was winning.

Here are the correspondence for the mis-grade:
First they hit me with this after requesting the cashout (keep in mind that day I deposited about 5 deposits, the last 4 deposits all in a row like at the same time but separate cuz crypto is just fun to mess with and i was peeling off 20% at a time but all at once so sent 24 bch, 20 bch, 16 bch, 3 bch, and 11 bch to total 74 bch and then went to cashout 67 bch after some bets and the btc balance by that point was negative so i figured they'd fix it. but instead I got hit with this:


Hi,

We hope this email finds you well. To uphold high-security standards we kindly request you to send in documents to validate your identity. These security checks have to be done to guarantee the right level of security for both parties involved.

As a part of this security check, we kindly ask you to respond to this e-mail enclosing the following documents.

1) Verify your identity
Provide a digital photograph or scanned colour copy of your government–issued ID card, driving licence or passport that clearly displays:
-Document number (licence number, passport number), your full name and date of birth.
-No black/blurred portions (all details must be in focus)
-All four corners of the document (ie. no cropping)
-Expiry date that has not passed
-Front and back of the licence

2) Verify your address
Provide one digital photograph of a paper utility bill or paper bank/credit-card statement that has been received through the post clearly displaying:
-Your name and address
-An issue date within the last 3 months
-All four corners of the bill/statement (i.e. no cropping)
Acceptable utility bill statements include landline phone (mobile bills are not acceptable), heating, water, electricity, and municipal government correspondence where address and name are shown is also accepted. eg. a letter from your local tax office, police or registry office.

3) A photograph of yourself holding your identification document, as well as a piece of paper that says "Cloudbet" with today's date on it.
Please ensure the photograph is not blurry and clearly shows both documents.

We assure you that we will treat all this information confidentially and it is only for internal use. Once we have received the documents you will not be requested to send the same ones again while they remain valid.

Should you need further assistance regarding this request then please keep the original information of this e-mail when responding to us.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

--

Cloudbet security



THEN
the cloudbet representative on bitcointalk
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?ac...ofile;u=154563
sent this after I messaged them asking for explanation of what was going on


Hello there, efxes,

I'm sorry to hear, that you've been having some difficulties with your account.

I have followed up on the matter with the Sports and Player Safety team now, and I can provide you with accurate information now.

The relevant team confirm, that the negative balance on your account was due to some bets that were graded as pushed incorrectly although they should have been settled as losses.

Once the bets were graded, you have withdrawn the funds that were incorrectly credited to you, thus the balance became negative as soon as these bets have been regraded accordingly.

Regardless of the negative BTC balance, you continued playing on our website using BCH, without informing our support team or crediting the funds back to your account, thus documentation was requested to verify the account.

Our Player Safety team confirmed, that they have verified your account and emailed you accordingly now, but I'm afraid as you have breached our Terms & Conditions by registering from a prohibited jurisdiction, you will not be able to continue playing on the site in the future.

In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.

Thanks for your understanding.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,
Team Cloudbet


Here's what actually happened

I began had like 2.6 BTC in the account, a wager was incorrectly pushed/cancelled due to a retire in the 2nd (i didn't even realize it was a mis-grade because tennis is graded differently sometimes at different books so i was confused).

I had been betting and running up my bank with bitcoin cash but i coinswitch exchanged over to BTC because I went on tilt a bit in bitcoin cash thought it would change things up. Anyways I withdrew the BTC back after I was betting in BTC, and re-deposited TO THE SAME ACCOUNT with bitcoin cash AGAIN. I had been betting in bitcoin cash the whole time but for some reason felt liek changing to btc would change things up.

If I wanted to steal from them following a mis-grade, tell me why would I re-deposit loads more money ($20k) back into my account? They're trying to pull that trick in order to 1. void bets thereafter if i win (if i lose i lose, it's called a freeroll) 2. freeze the account and get me for a KYC.



In no way did I think at any point I was stealing anything because of their mistake with a tennis retire in the 2nd set being pushed. I have no idea that it's how it worked... and I re-deposited regardless, why not just take it out of the account instead of pulling this crap? So the BTC balance wound up in the negative, and then the BCH cashout was for 67 BCH which is around only 1.3 BTC or so.

Regardless, they want the public to think this is about USA documentation being provided since my permanent residence is in USA. I told them I am in Mexico for the last three months, regardless of whether I have been in Mexico OR NOT, I deposited 74 BCH that day, they were pulling EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK to freeroll me since my account was up maybe 150BCH total. But you can't be anything but a scambook if you are waiting for a winning account to deposit a large amount just to freeze those deposits if they don't lose and freeroll those last deposits. It is wrong and they need to return my last deposits that day 74 BCH or the balance on the account 67 BCH which I requested as a cashout minus the stupid ****ing mis-grade that they tried to pull to trap me. They are scammers. Thieves. I can't even begin.


in regards to the other account, I mentioned I might have tried Cloudbet on another account a long long time ago, they've been in the crypto space for 7 years. However I do not remember the email nor the password and I have no idea about it. I haven't circumvented anything and I said something about that in passing, believing that these are real humans but they are animals from a third world country. They have prominent marketing and people need to know before depositing to them. They are animals and dishonest and have done this so many times. Please understand this, I know it happens all the time but people seem to trust Cloudbet in the bitcoin community-I know I did before this happened to me. And then I start to see the countless scams they have pulled, and there are multiple other people I'm encountering who are owed low to mid five figures by this company.


In the end they're just saying that it's because I provided American permanent residence, but I also provided documentation of my place in Mexico and they're refusing to take that as evidence that I'm here and they owe me the darn balance on the account I don't care what they wnat to pull. They can't do this stuff and keep getting deposits from MY bitcoin community. F this.

Here's a full article I guest posted on cloudbetscams.com
https://cloudbetscams.com/the-entire...camming-again/

It details the whole thing just as above but a little more clearly. Yeah it's BS and I'm interested to know what you think about it. I need my deposits back, you cannot wait for a winning account's last deposits and freeroll those. It is not acceptable. They just do it becasue they are an anonymous scam book but people need to start calling them out everywhere. I hope cloudbetscams.com starts ranking so it prevents some people from getting selectively scammed too.

Also here is THE ENTIRE TRANSACTION HISTORY FROM THE FIRST $1,300 IN DEPOSITS TO THE LAST $20,000 IN DEPOSITS.

Also see https://medium.com/@drivingforpennie...s-fcbae7016dd0
for the entire transaction history of the account. There was a lot of cashouts, emptying the account, and starting over and depositing. They were waiting for a big deposit to freeroll me and take it if I didn't lose it.

They're a scum book taking a shot at you by the look.

That sucks, gl w resolving etc

Not sure why that link didn't work but here is the entire transaction history and article
https://medium.com/@drivingforpennie...s-fcbae7016dd0

And the link for the entire story is working again... the automatic redirect into multiple languages warning people about cloudbet was taken off because it was in a redirect loop:
https://cloudbetscams.com/the-entire...camming-again/

Sorry for the broken links above not sure why it did that.

Here's the entire article from the link above that I wrote on the guy's site https://cloudbetscams.com

And here is the article explaining the entire story from first deposit of the week long run to the last 5 deposits in the same day, that I cashed out slightly less than and are owed to me and I won't accept anything less than the balance minus the negative balance and it needs to be done now. to have this drag on while BTC is rising is criminal. Here is the story:

I appreciate you and appreciate this feedback. I've posted about this on so many darn sites, it's hard to keep up with the entirety of the story. I need to sum it up in an article, and i will do that but since I really value SBRForum and I am legit an OG here I've been here forever and I love the place and have always loved the people we love to gamble we love to bet and talk sports. Let me go ahead and share with you every minor step of the way.


I deposited $1,300 to this site on September 17, 2020. A 1 BCH deposit, a 2 BCH deposit, and a 3 BCH deposit

1.25BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...dca4184b3c6d48
2BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...efc760583f4f03
3BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...51768902280147

I then requested a 6.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...00e49070c04d8b

and a 17.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...5e0db6bd854528


From then, I started depositing back BCH, withdrawing out BCH, and continuing a run up to the moon.

At some point I went on tilt, withdrew everything, transferred it back into BTC, and deposited back some into Nitrogen Sports and some into Cloudbet. In Cloudbet, there was a mis-grade on a BTC bet. I had about $30,000 in Cloudbet, like 3 BTC. The mis-grade was for .26. I continued betting and lost some, and cashed out 2.6 BTC.

I didn't realize the mis-grade was Benoit Paire retiring in the 2nd set was a push instead of a loss. I thought tennis is graded differently in different places so I legit thought it was normal. So I cashed out the BTC after some other bets, total of maybe 2.6 or more. I then turned it back into BCH as you can see me receiving it here:

124 BCH received from transferring back from bitcoin
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...552e26b870ce2d

I then deposit back into my account the BCH in one day, adding on and adding on and adding on to my BCH balance (not because I was losing the entire balance I was just adding on to bets that day, all in less than 8 hours I was just adding onto my balance).

Those final deposits the final day can be found here:

24 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...2f068d6200ac5c

20 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...3668434f432a83

16 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...8eb8f3b9a054b1

3 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...d5bace3f63f8aa

11 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...b10eee1f5763d3



So I deposit 74 BCH since my last cashout maybe something like that. Not sure how that went down but I may have deposited more since my last cashout but THAT DAY I deposited 74 BCH. I went to withdraw 67 BCH just a few hours later, and I noticed there was a negative balance in the BTC. I went to withdraw the 67 BCH remaining in the account looking at the negative -.26 btc balance I figured they'd just take it out of the BCH balance because it was their error they mis-graded the Benoit Paire match after all with the retire in the 2nd set.

Then I receive this:

Hi,

We hope this email finds you well. To uphold high-security standards we kindly request you to send in documents to validate your identity. These security checks have to be done to guarantee the right level of security for both parties involved.

As a part of this security check, we kindly ask you to respond to this e-mail enclosing the following documents.

1) Verify your identity
Provide a digital photograph or scanned colour copy of your government–issued ID card, driving licence or passport that clearly displays:
-Document number (licence number, passport number), your full name and date of birth.
-No black/blurred portions (all details must be in focus)
-All four corners of the document (ie. no cropping)
-Expiry date that has not passed
-Front and back of the licence

2) Verify your address
Provide one digital photograph of a paper utility bill or paper bank/credit-card statement that has been received through the post clearly displaying:
-Your name and address
-An issue date within the last 3 months
-All four corners of the bill/statement (i.e. no cropping)
Acceptable utility bill statements include landline phone (mobile bills are not acceptable), heating, water, electricity, and municipal government correspondence where address and name are shown is also accepted. eg. a letter from your local tax office, police or registry office.

3) A photograph of yourself holding your identification document, as well as a piece of paper that says "Cloudbet" with today's date on it.
Please ensure the photograph is not blurry and clearly shows both documents.

We assure you that we will treat all this information confidentially and it is only for internal use. Once we have received the documents you will not be requested to send the same ones again while they remain valid.

Should you need further assistance regarding this request then please keep the original information of this e-mail when responding to us.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

--

Cloudbet security




Then I send in a ton of documents, using my USA permanent residency I sent in an expired internet bill since I haven't been back there in months and have been in Mexico is the story. Regardless, I deposited 74 BCH and they think I was stealing because of their stupid BTC error, I even deposited $20,000 after they mis-graded the wager, what the heck is wrong with them? Then they sent me this:

I contacted Cloudbet account on Bitcointalk where they have prominent marketing in the bitcoin space where they tend to gain a lot of credibility so they can steal bitcoin and other crypto from the community countless times over. Here's what Cloudbet had to say on bitcointalk personal message:

Hello there, efxes,

I'm sorry to hear, that you've been having some difficulties with your account.

I have followed up on the matter with the Sports and Player Safety team now, and I can provide you with accurate information now.

The relevant team confirm, that the negative balance on your account was due to some bets that were graded as pushed incorrectly although they should have been settled as losses.

Once the bets were graded, you have withdrawn the funds that were incorrectly credited to you, thus the balance became negative as soon as these bets have been regraded accordingly.

Regardless of the negative BTC balance, you continued playing on our website using BCH, without informing our support team or crediting the funds back to your account, thus documentation was requested to verify the account.

Our Player Safety team confirmed, that they have verified your account and emailed you accordingly now, but I'm afraid as you have breached our Terms & Conditions by registering from a prohibited jurisdiction, you will not be able to continue playing on the site in the future.

In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.

Thanks for your understanding.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,
Team Cloudbet




So there you have it. As for the other account it's not true. They love to pull that card. I said I might have had an account a few years ago trying out the site but I couldn't remember the email.

They just want to steal the money.

Again this article can be found here:
https://cloudbetscams.com/the-entire...camming-again/

The entire medium article can be found here that has all of the transactions in the entirety of the account profiting from the first deposits- the account was emptied numerous times and re-deposited, making each deposit a separate circumstance. You can't just wait for big deposits and freeroll them. It's not right.
https://medium.com/@drivingforpennie...s-fcbae7016dd0

Hey Swoop. Means a lot.

Normally getting rolled might be something I'd be willing to move on from. This however was really low down dirty stuff and I not only want my money back but I need everyone to know so that this company doesn't keep doing this to the bitcoin community which I value highly in my priorities in life believe it or not. Do not like seeing people get bitcoin robbed like this. Other people are also owed large 5 figure sums and some day I will bring those to light but anyways....

just wanted to lay out all the facts above and the chronology/story line. I've been playing poker a long time and seen all the USA stuff and been around since the Neteller days for USA, everything. They just use whatever they can to scam you and freeroll you. They even use shill accounts on many sites and pay off the mediator sites which make their money off being sportsbook affiliates.

You get the drift...

thanks man.

Ah ok, so basically you're saying if that misgrade hadn't happened you would have been able to just keep playing there and cashing out BCH without being flagged and thus wouldn't have got KYCed and lost the access to the funds.

But from what they said it was when you messed up and logged in with VPN set up wrong that triggered them. If they're lying about that you could authorize them to release info, they offered to release info in the bitcointalk thread.

That might be a point to pressure? Because really makes no sense then, if they only flagged you for that. But how sure are you it was because of that, because all your cashouts had been going quickly right through before that?

Man. I use a vpn that keeps going to fastest server in the USA on my phone and then don’t realize it and I have to switch off of that IP because cloudbet boots me off so it’s tricky with the vpn but I do it for privacy reasons.

I mean cmon gimme a break.

I don’t want to discuss the USA thing.

The USA thing is an angle to take and freeroll anything that is deposited into the account in the future.

If I run a sports book. Let’s say I run a sports book.

I have an account betting into me. They’re up $40,000.

I realize they are about to hit the French open and destroy me. Potentially.



Any of their next deposits? Are free money up to what they profited lifetime being a winner off of me.

Do you see what i am saying. Please. Don’t let this book get away with this.

Cloudbet Not Responding For My 330 BTC Withdrawal
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106313.0

CLOUDBET IS SCAM! They are not paying for winning bets!- status?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105084.0

Cloudbet SCAM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103376.0

Cloudbet – SCAM – 30BTC being stolen
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5074681.0

Cloudbet Void french ligue 1 winning bet without reason.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5068083.0

Cloudbet scammers? Many Users don’t get their Money.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4898772.0

CLOUDBET – stay away from these scammers
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4807822.0

Cloudbet SCAM? Refusing to payout
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4088023.0

Cloudbet SCAM?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3469100.0

cloudbet accepted deposit, but no withdrawal
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3256084.0

CLOUDBET JUST BANNED ME AND WONT ALLOW ME TO WITHDRAW
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2979923.0

(SCAM?) BEWARE WITH CLOUDBET
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2902574.0

CLOUDBET SCAM?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2702669.0

Cloudbet does not payout money
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2571860.0

Cloudbet is knowingly and willfully stealing my bitcoin – Solved Iguess
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2398658.0

cloudbet is a scam website
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1880426.0

Dont Deal With Cloudbet.com – SCAM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1865653.0

CLOUDBET SCAM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1862880.0

Cloudbet Refusing Withdrawal
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1836370.0

cloudbet is a scam website
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1828332.0

Why is CloudBet not negative repped?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1801016.0

calling the attention of CLOUDBET
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1794631.0

Is cloudbet.com scam ?? [ solved ] – Solved
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1755403.0

Cloudbet.com don’t pay out winning
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1736901.0

Cloudbet not sending my withdrawal…not answering emails
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1687157.0

Stay Away from Cloudbet ( Fraud Sportsbook )
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1686721.0

Cloudbet Not sure about OPs intention
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1651314.0

Cloudbet.com – SCAM!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1640675.0

Don’t use cloudbet.com because they haven’t pay yet over 24 hr my withdraw
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1497105.0

SCAM cloudbet WARNING
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1470919.0

cloudbet SCAM WARNING
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1440736.0

Cloudbet.com
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1346952.0

CLOUDBET.COM IS A SCAM!! STOLE MY 25 BTC FOR NO REASON, RIP OFF BE CAREFUL!!!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=991041.0

CLOUDBET is a scam!!!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846266.0

Cloudbet Scam – This Could happen to ANY cloudbet player
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819311.0

Cloudbet scam..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=618715.0

really bad one
https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/...com_is_trying/

Frequently updated list of latest and unresolved and resolved Cloudbet scams

Mod: if it's not okay to include those links please remove them. No problem, apologize but I just want all the information out there so that I can let people respond. I think that about sums up the years and years of scamming this company has done in the bitcoin community.

update: battles are being waged over at SBRforum and Bitcointalk, with what seems to be the site owner acting like someone who just wants to tell the world i'm a fraud and don't deserve my deposits because i lie bla bla bla, anyways this guy is being proven to be the owner of the entire cloudbet site trying to defend his scams. He's unbelievably knowledgeable in all gambling law everything, and has obviously fought these scam accusations countless times, came prepared to fight it. Cites tons of stuff about why they're in the right, but then you catch him posting about other competitor sites like Betcoin and 5dimes and stuff about how much they scam themselves.

Battles are being waged, I hope nobody ever deposits there again. I promise you they are a total scam.

Owner posting incognito, this was dug up from his post history:


Anyways he's been bashing me since I made the thread and citing all the reasons why USA players should have their deposits taken and seems to know more things about the case than he lets on, repeatedly saying I'm lying and that I was VPN'ing so deserve to have my $20,000 in deposits confiscated since my account was in the profit by $30,000 they don't owe me anything.

Do not have words to express how I feel about these scammers.

Here he is obviously letting on how knowledgeable he is about running a sportsbook:



Here he talks about USA politics in his history almost as much as Cloudbet does in their twitter feed. He seems to be an expert in USA politics because of how much he hates us and wants to evade the feds who don't like him stealing from USA players... obviously likes Trump because of more loopholes to keep scamming and wants to see USA go down




Here he is bashing Betcoin in a thread, their major competitor at Cloudbet




__________________________________________


Finally here's a couple posts from the owner of Cloudbet (I presume) bashing me anonymously like a keyboard warrior. They get off on scamming USA citizens:




He and his other site shills have been through the scamming process hundreds of times- they get off on it. They know what they're doing to people and they do it anyways. They prey on USA customers in order to freeroll their deposits. They prey on winning accounts in order to prey on their future deposits and freeroll up to the amount they're in profit and pull tricks like mis-grades or even flat out accusing of syndicate betting or this or that like multi-accounts etc, just bullcrap reaching stuff that is unethical to say the least.

You can read from the first page he's laying out all sorts of reasons why I shouldn't be paid.
It's obviously the owner. I hope SBRforum has his IP's or bitcointalk but i'm sure they're completely OPSEC'd at this point, they just suck monkey balls and need to pay me. I deposited almost $20,000 in BCH, 74 BCH, I went to withdraw 67 BCH, and they took it, citing that my account was in the positive and that they want to claim i was in the USA bla bla.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...a-citizen.html

Bitcoin price is going up and i'm sweating this. I'm also taking too much time fighting it but it bothers me.

Confession:
OK guys, this is me coming clean. I'm an honest person and this whole case and the money lost has been eating me up inside. I haven't been honest about multiple things so it's time to come clean. I don't agree with freerolling a winning account's last deposits, and as a human being I can justify so many things and rationalize so many things in my head. But I can't stay in a lie, I am a free spirited musician and enjoy just living a peaceful life. So I have to confess multiple things to you guys, and I wish I did this from the start- I was desperate to get my money back and didn't know if I could get it back any other way. Money doesn't come easy to me.


1. i have never been to Mexico in my life. I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.
2. I'm a well-known poker player in the bitcoin community that goes by tennisCHAMP or tennis known as an all out degen. Used to be dice, but for the longest time it's been sports. I quit casino gambling a long time ago and I figured out how to pretty consistently win at tennis betting at the higher levels like ATP and WTA and Grand Slam. I've won SWC Poker BigBTC and streaming challenges for thousands in bitcoin , and I've been into bitcoin more than anything ever since I arrived there. I used to vlog a bit and I was driving full time Uber for years here in SF. $15,000 is a fortune to me and it scares me how much I was willing to lie about in order to get paid (even if I feel it's rightly mine, lying just isn't me and I couldn't really keep going with this without unravelling).

3. I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site. I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable.

4. I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site. That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico. This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff.


5. The reality is that as I mentioned, I have been a tennis teacher and an Uber driver and a starving musician for years. A year and a half ago my Nissan Leaf got hit and I got an insurance check for $8,000 which I ran up to $150,000 in bitcoin on Nitrogen Sports within a few days betting tennis. I bet like $5,000 on Fabio Fognini to beat Nadal in the semi's of Monte Carlo and he hit straight sets and moneyline and I won like $75,000.. Nitrogen Sports has since severely limited my 2001 account (one of the first to register to Nitrogen Sports through Bitcointalk). I won and lost all that money within only 3 days, never even really cashing out to USD and a week later that money would have been worth $450,000. I've not had a day go by where I don't think about the money I missed out on every hour, especially being so job skill-less and only really having played poker and bet sports as a means of possibly some day making good money (though I do make websites and am getting better at that). When I just ran up $1,300 into $40,000 in a week at Cloudbet, constantly withdrawing in order to secure all the funds and re-depositing, I thought I'd never look back again. I was doing quite well managing but when I had the $15,000 stolen from Cloudbet, I went on tilt and lost the remaining $15,000 and am now back to square one as always have been my entire 34 years of existence.

6. I am cloudbetscamsDOTCOM on bitcointalk and the person who put up cloudbetscams.com after being advised by people who dealt with the 330btc scam case from Cloudbet and other people in the poker community who said my only real recourse is to go out Cloudbet from all angles in order to hope to get their attention and get paid. The more shady stuff I uncovered, the more enraged I got and I really want people to know not to deposit to this site because of these things. I don't know what's going to happen with the site but I need to come completely clean.





Now:
Cloudbet, I will give you permission to post everything you want about me. I am well known as 'tennis' from SWC Poker and in the bitcoin community. Some people will recognize me if they are OG poker players. So I'm not really fearing anything. I feel awful about lying, not to you guys but to myself (and also to you guys). So I'm coming clean mostly because I live such a clean life free of doing bad stuff, I have so many interests and hobbies, degenerate sports betting is jsut one of them. Though I'm becoming massively sharp at betting tennis I will admit- every other sport I lose loads at. And I don't really even beat poker any more, though I do have an occasional God run on stream with people cheering me on at SWC poker.

Cloudbet: feel free to post the information you need to the public about my USA IP's, as I admit I have never even been to Mexico in my life. I was born in Brazil and it's always been a dream to get back there, but I haven't done much traveling except for jazz band tours and stuff all over Europe having played with BB King and stuff in Switzerland in a fluke but was so fun, I'm a professional saxophonist and beat maker.

You can post the transaction histories to clear that up, Idunno about posting my home IP but you can feel free to post the general locations all that to show that i was in the USA.



Beyond that, I still feel that I should be paid. I hope I am not upsetting people and I should have been forthright from the start. Money can truly bring out the worst in people, and it did in me. I wanted to say anything just to get paid because I thought I was justified. I felt like the angles and laws surrounding them preying on me for the TOS was not fair. Waiting for me to deposit a large sum, I was obviously trying to leave a dent in their book- so they played the we can actually legally steal this money back.

But this is about the confession and the go ahead to release all the information. Like I said, I used to vlog as 'tennis' in the bitcoin community documenting my uber driving and saxophone playing and music making. Only a few people saw those but in general i'm not scared of a little fame or notoriety. I still feel I'm owed the deposits on the account and I hope that the community will agree with me on that. It's not fair to freeroll USA players so in my mind I justified lying to everyone, even if not so well on purpose, about being in "mexico" and stuff.


I'm here to answer any questions all week now that I'm being honest. The monkey is off my back.

I apologize to everyone. To SBR, to Twoplustwo, to Bitcointalk. It was not right for me to say wahtever i needed to say in order to try and get the money back. I still feel that I should be owed every penny. It's not fair.



I'm here to answer any and all questions you have and giving Cloudbet the go ahead to release whatever they need to the public about why I shouldn't be due my deposits back. I still feel that I am owed them.

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If you were lying about everything and so on you should still probably get your initial deposit back if the account's in profit, but you certainly shouldn't get to keep any of the winnings etc or obviously if you lost the deposits they don't owe you the money back

This seems like an expensive lesson not to VPN into books that don't operate in your area.

I deposited ~70 BCH that day, 4 different deposits adding on.
I withdrew 67 BCH with a negative balance of -.26 BTC due to mis-grade.


I feel I'm due the 67 BCH minus the BTC mis-grade, I think that to take my money after the long transaction history and then keep the deposits that's not fair to selectively wait to KYC me knowing I'm American and then take the deposits due to life-time profit. It's just an awful angle that is much worse than I have ever really heard, it's so low.


It's something everyone can learn from for sure. I'm slow though... and I apologize about lying I just was scared and weak for that, something I have to grow stronger for next time and not sell out like that and stand up for myself, maybe thought people wouldn't take me seriously but I seriously should get my deposits back, I couldn't afford to lose the entire deposits, I had my trust in this company and they waited until the last second to get a fat deposit and freeroll me if i lose i lose if i win they KYC freeze, anyways..

yeah apologize for being sheisty with the mexico thing I feel stupid , but I think actually thinking back it's common for people to panic in those situations and make up a story...


yep VPN'ing is asking for serious serious trouble. This is bad news.

Another confession: I have mistaken the last deposits, I thought the last 3 BCH and 11 BCH were from cloudbet they were not but you can see here my last 4 deposits and they add to 84 BCH.

On the last day within 2 hours I send three successive deposits of 60 BCH total (24, 20, 16)
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...apzy4vxk7hewqv

This is the BCH wallet address. I added on with each of those BCH deposits to the balance with the previous day's BCH balance I believe, though I know for sure the 60BCH wasn't because I lost, those were all basically one deposit.

Yea i agree with everything cloudbet said except one thing. they keep saying im a big winner lifetime. since ive had other accts im actually down lifetime i believe, not sure on exact results but ive def lost on other accts too, i understand this is against terms of service too but lets be reasonable, they could look the other way and give me something for this, and make it clear that if i try to play there again from usa they will be allowed to confiscate everything

I've mostly deposited and almost never withdrawn in the entire lifetime of having the johncoltrane44@gmail.com account.

I'm down so much bitcoin and if they want to post the deposits and withdrawals of my old account they can do that to give more perspective that Im really not down that much. Maybe they can just confiscate any deposits if I deposit in the future- in general at Cloudbet I was a long time loyal customer for 3 years now and have been making deposits and hardly withdrawing the entire time. I won some back but not even close to what I'm down on the site. I've given them a lot of BTC over the years and they want to paint me as a winner which I am not. I lose loads at sports, more than I can afford.

Maybe stop betting if you lose at sports? I dunno.

I had an account 18 months before I made the efxes@producehits.com account. I hadn't bet at the site for 18 months and since I'm being truthful about EVERYTHING, one day I received a message when I went to log in that the account was closed or something due to being a USA customer.

So 18 months later I made the efxes@producehits.com account on a VPN. I had never been KYC'd before.

According to my tallies via my emails, example screenshot here:






you can look at full transaction histories and tallies here from johncoltrane44@gmail.com 18 months before i opened the efxes account about 3 months ago: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing


In total I tallied that I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and

Lost 2.6858 (negative -2.6858 BTC)

Cloudbet: please feel free to verify the transaction history on that account. Here's a screenshot of one of the emails i used to tally this up.





Here's the tallies from the official spreadsheet of the efxes@producehits.com account, sent to me by head of customer service:






https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing





Here's what 10.7 bch is worth in bitcoin:





So I am up 1.75 bitcoins total (that is including the value of the bch) in the Efxes@producehits.com account.



I am down -2.6858 according to cloudbet's calculations in the johncoltrane44@gmail.com account.



This puts me as a lifetime loser on cloudbet at



1.75 profit minus 2.6858 losses











I am adding the screenshots of each email to each line in the spreadsheet to verify that these emails are real. I am requesting that Cloudbet verify my lifetime losses on johncoltrane44@gmail.com over the 2-3 years I had the account. I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and lost a total of 2.68 bitcoins there.



Again:

Unofficial johncoltrane44@gmail.com from 2017-2019 account deposits and withdrawals

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

All email screenshots are being included, all 198 deposit email screenshots and 37 withdrawal screenshots.



Official efxes@producehits.com from 6/22/20 to 9/22/20 here direct from Cloudbet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing




[size=24pt]So if this is the case, I was a long-time loyal customer 18 months before before I even thought to use a VPN in order to play on Cloudbet. They closed my account since I used it from USA. I shouldn't have, but I opened an account 18 months later in order to finally get back on Cloudbet. So yes, I had two accounts. But looking at my johncoltrane44@gmail.com account i had lost 2.7 bitcoins there anyways. So I'm down overall on the site so this means that I should be due my money back.[/size]


I had an account 18 months before I made the efxes@producehits.com account. I hadn't bet at the site for 18 months and since I'm being truthful about EVERYTHING, one day I received a message when I went to log in that the account was closed or something due to being a USA customer.

So 18 months later I made the efxes@producehits.com account on a VPN. I had never been KYC'd before.

According to my tallies via my emails, example screenshot here:






you can look at full transaction histories and tallies here from johncoltrane44@gmail.com 18 months before i opened the efxes account about 3 months ago: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing


In total I tallied that I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and

Lost 2.6858 (negative -2.6858 BTC)

Cloudbet: please feel free to verify the transaction history on that account. Here's a screenshot of one of the emails i used to tally this up.





Here's the tallies from the official spreadsheet of the efxes@producehits.com account, sent to me by head of customer service:






https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing





Here's what 10.7 bch is worth in bitcoin:





So I am up 1.75 bitcoins total (that is including the value of the bch) in the Efxes@producehits.com account.



I am down -2.6858 according to cloudbet's calculations in the johncoltrane44@gmail.com account.



This puts me as a lifetime loser on cloudbet at



1.75 profit minus 2.6858 losses











I am adding the screenshots of each email to each line in the spreadsheet to verify that these emails are real. I am requesting that Cloudbet verify my lifetime losses on johncoltrane44@gmail.com over the 2-3 years I had the account. I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and lost a total of 2.68 bitcoins there.



Again:

Unofficial johncoltrane44@gmail.com from 2017-2019 account deposits and withdrawals

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

All email screenshots are being included, all 198 deposit email screenshots and 37 withdrawal screenshots.



Official efxes@producehits.com from 6/22/20 to 9/22/20 here direct from Cloudbet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing




[size=24pt]So if this is the case, I was a long-time loyal customer 18 months before before I even thought to use a VPN in order to play on Cloudbet. They closed my account since I used it from USA. I shouldn't have, but I opened an account 18 months later in order to finally get back on Cloudbet. So yes, I had two accounts. But looking at my johncoltrane44@gmail.com account i had lost 2.7 bitcoins there anyways. So I'm down overall on the site so this means that I should be due my money back.[/size]





here is the imgur post with 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals from 2017 to January of 2019
[size=20pt]https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG[/size]

Quote: "polite but firm. u are a lifetime 0.9 (actually 2.3 if i don't get my deposits back) btc loser on cloudbet. in similar situations they have paid ppl the balance, bigger balances, and closed the account. in their communications with regards to your account, they claimed you were a winner and that is one of the reasons for their decision. just keep repeating this"
"u can even post that text of mine word for in quotes and say "a friend who is giving me advice on this situation said to post this"

It kind of seems like you might have a gambling problem/addiction.

I've had problems with gambling in the past- at this point I'm sharp at tennis nobody can tell me otherwise, and I tend to dump it right back in NBA and american sports. But I realize I have no chance in them now and so I mostly stop trying.


And honestly i've always dreamt of being a professional sports bettor for 15 years now. I'm finally starting to get better at it but my life is probably more suited to not gamble, I can't really handle these things.

I'm starting to build websites and stuff to try and take my mind off gambling- and hopefully I will get paid and I can try and tone it all down but this crap is so BS i wish cloudbet wouldn't steal player money left and right.

anyways i will live. i've been here before, scraping from the bottom of the barrel. I gotta move on, this wasn't good for my life and now an advisor got me to tell the truth lol and it prob F'd me. Crap is all over the internet now. I might give up, but I seriously do not like what they are doing to the money i sent them. it's disgusting and I truly truly truly hope that nobody deposits to this site ever.

But this is the way the world works. The criminals get ahead and live a care-free life while the people they prey on take the brunt of the blame and repercussions. disgusting.

No one can dispute that, but doesn't change the fact that cloudbet has had similar situations in the past (multi accounter, losing player) who they intially confiscated a balance from, even larger amount, and then eventually paid the player due to community pressure.

No question this player approached it horribly in the beginning (literally in the OP calling it a "winning account" lol), but now that he has come clean, the facts are on his side and precedent is on his side as well. And he is posting proof now of what he is saying, not just words.

Regardless of if he has a gambling problem, his claim is legit, the community should see this and pressure cloudbet to make a response.

I only have an account her, OP, so feel free to crosspost my post here to other forums, get the word out.

Including the 67bch ($15,000) that's being withheld from me, and then factoring in the fact that I owe them 0.26 BTC ($3,000) for a misgrade, I am down approximately $25k to the site. if they release these funds to me i will still be down approximately $11k (.9btc+) to the site. thus, their statement that i rcvd more in deposits than withdrawals is FALSE. i have proof, screenshots, showing that this is false. i apologize for lying in the beginning, i was scared, but now i am being completely truthful and showing proof. i am willing to take as long as it takes to resolve this, and would appreciate any kind words or support from anyone


and i understand that i may not get anything back but i still hold my claim, and will forever hold it, unless they resolve this with me.