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10-23-2016 , 03:34 AM
Professor, there are lurkers here who make millions betting sports. There's a guy who won't get out of bed for less than $100,000. If you really are that good why aren't you betting like they do and making potentially millions?
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10-23-2016 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ProfessorEd
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Your first part is exactly the case here legit speaking. I truthfully don't even have to bet I have many successful wealthy clients that stick with me because I do well and work on commission. But to show what a hassle/haggle/bullcrap/waste or time I go through.

All these tickets are for this weekend and i had to run to casino to casino and this is the max allowed at each one.











Can get 20k on o53.5 +100 right now at pinny
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10-23-2016 , 10:37 AM
in 10 years of baseball betting i'm only 48.77% winners but i won $ every year

how is that possible????
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10-23-2016 , 10:37 AM
So from what it sounds like, you basically just bet random **** and then freeroll winnings from clients in a long term system that is impossible for your clients to win at.
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10-23-2016 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DefNotRsigley
in 10 years of baseball betting i'm only 48.77% winners but i won $ every year

how is that possible????
lose money on mlb then bet lakers q1 spread when kobe is playing for max
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10-23-2016 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Mihkel05
So from what it sounds like, you basically just bet random **** and then freeroll winnings from clients in a long term system that is impossible for your clients to win at.
ProfessorEd sounds way too similar to Steve Stevens for me
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10-23-2016 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ProfessorEd
For clarification, the best sports bettors hit 57-59%. For touts i don't know...most are boiler room operations. But Steve Stevens claims 70% which is absurdly not true. But 100% confirmation you ask anyone who knows anything about sports they'll tell you the best hit 57-59%.
57-59% means sweet f*ck if u don't have the avg odds played. 57-59% on -110 std odds plays u might be right, but that doesn't apply generally to moneyline plays, european football, nhl, etc etc etc. u seem as clueless as most touts. the only ''stat'' u should be looking for as a sports better is ROI or gtfo
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10-23-2016 , 11:15 AM
Again, no one remotely intelligent cares about ROI for the reasons that have discussed at length.
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10-23-2016 , 12:47 PM
o52.5 +100 20k
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10-23-2016 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Lumiere
57-59% means sweet f*ck if u don't have the avg odds played. 57-59% on -110 std odds plays u might be right, but that doesn't apply generally to moneyline plays, european football, nhl, etc etc etc. u seem as clueless as most touts. the only ''stat'' u should be looking for as a sports better is ROI or gtfo
He said at -110 odds u sweet f*ck.

+EG is all that matters.
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10-23-2016 , 01:08 PM
Dont trust anyone with the word "professor" in their name as a general rule
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10-23-2016 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gmcarroll33
ProfessorEd sounds way too similar to Steve Stevens for me

LOL
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10-23-2016 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mihkel05
Again, no one remotely intelligent cares about ROI for the reasons that have discussed at length.
Wut ? Lol oh boy. Ty for the laugh!

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He said at -110 odds u sweet f*ck.

+EG is all that matters.
No he didn't in the post i quoted, might have said it earlier idk but thanks for telling me professor ed's 2nd 2p2 account
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10-23-2016 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lumiere
Wut ? Lol oh boy. Ty for the laugh!
Hate to agree with thremp but ive found that the importance one places on ROI is a good litmus test to their gambling knowledge.
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10-23-2016 , 04:28 PM
Why would you hate to agree?

I'm a massive fave to be correct when talking about sports betting. Seems weird considering you used to brag about how much knowledge you were able to "trick" out of me.
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10-23-2016 , 05:55 PM
True. I just dont like you
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10-23-2016 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Poogs
Hate to agree with thremp but ive found that the importance one places on ROI is a good litmus test to their gambling knowledge.
been sports betting for a living for 4+ years now, always calculated my success through ROI%. i have no idea how u can consider it being dumb, that's just the best way to calculate how much u make per $ invested. Investing in sports is in no way different to investing in the stock market.

Not sure how u can discredit this calculation... u can calculate avg odds and win % but that's just which gives u another stat that's just less accurate of ur success per size of bet etc imo.

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Why would you hate to agree?

I'm a massive fave to be correct when talking about sports betting. Seems weird considering you used to brag about how much knowledge you were able to "trick" out of me.
u seem to have a lot of love for urself, curious as to what makes u a massive fave to be correct on sports betting...
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10-23-2016 , 10:26 PM
So is a 3% roi on 1M risked better than a 1% on 5M risked?
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10-23-2016 , 11:04 PM
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been sports betting for a living for 4+ years now,


I highly, highly doubt this.

ROI is fun to track and its not meaningless but if you think its the end all be all you dont know wtf youre taking about. Theres only stat that matters...Ill give you three guess what it is.
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10-23-2016 , 11:07 PM
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So is a 3% roi on 1M risked better than a 1% on 5M risked?
obv cuz u'll have made 150k profit once u've risked 5M with 3% ROI and only 50k profit with a 1% ROI ? lol. if u're talking on the same period of time, it's obv better the 1% on 5M risked but i never said ROI needs to be seen alone as a stat and aknowledged as the answer, do i really need to precise that if u have 90% ROI on 1 play lifetime u're not the best capper of all time ? lol u have to count ur $ risked and $ returned to calculate ur ROI brother
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10-23-2016 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Poogs
I highly, highly doubt this.

ROI is fun to track and its not meaningless but if you think its the end all be all you dont know wtf youre taking about. Theres only stat that matters...Ill give you three guess what it is.
go ahead and doubt it, i'm not going to have trouble sleeping at night if u do

do i really need to state the obvious that ROI has to come with the stats this % came from also ? jeez
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10-23-2016 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Lumiere
been sports betting for a living for 4+ years now, always calculated my success through ROI%. i have no idea how u can consider it being dumb, that's just the best way to calculate how much u make per $ invested.
I'm a sports betting noob so don't take my word as gospel but my interpretation of ROI is:

It's a useful measure only in so far as it establishes that you're a +EV bettor.

Once this has been established, the only thing that matters is profitability in dollar terms. Ask yourself, not what the ROI% is, but how much can i bet on something? And how much will it make me in dollar terms?

E.g. If you find a prop bet which you believe has 10% ROI, but you can only bet $400 on it (due to limits etc), that opportunity isn't anything like as attractive as a bet with only 3% ROI but a $10,000 limit.

Also, the only reason you might track ROI is to check that it isn't getting too high. But if you're fully investing your roll weekly or even daily (using kelly criterion), even this seems pointless.

One of the regulars can correct me if the above is rubbish.
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10-24-2016 , 12:04 AM
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I'm a sports betting noob so don't take my word as gospel but my interpretation of ROI is:

It's a useful measure only in so far as it establishes that you're a +EV bettor.

Once this has been established, the only thing that matters is profitability in dollar terms. Ask yourself, not what the ROI% is, but how much can i bet on something? And how much will it make me in dollar terms?

E.g. If you find a prop bet which you believe has 10% ROI, but you can only bet $400 on it (due to limits etc), that opportunity isn't anything like as attractive as a bet with only 3% ROI but a $10,000 limit.

Also, the only reason you might track ROI is to check that it isn't getting too high. But if you're fully investing your roll weekly or even daily (using kelly criterion), even this seems pointless.

One of the regulars can correct me if the above is rubbish.

U seem to show the concept of expected value/expected ROI, i'm speaking in terms of the ROI i turn as a long term result.

Of course i track wins/losses, profit, $ invested, $ returned, etc etc. but for example

If on an NFL season let's call it A of 16 games and etc i found 85 plays, risked 60k$ over the season and profited 5k$ which is roughly an 8% ROI

and the next season let's call it B i found 100 plays, risked 95k$ over the season and profited 6k$ which is roughly a 6% ROI

I would still consider season A a better season cuz my return per dollar invested is 8c over 6c for season B. I do understand that u make more cash in situation B, but it's just because i found more plays in season B, but i still fared worse. If i had been as accurate in season B as i was in season B, I'd have done near 8k$ profit at the end of the year. 8c to the dollar is always going to be better on the long run than 6c to the dollar.

I can agree that if u find more plays, win less cents per $ but put far more sample than another person(find more plays to bet) u can make more $ in the same amount of time on the same time period, i'm not going to go against that obv but if u risk more $ per day u need a bigger roll, or ur bet sizing will be lower, and ur $ swings will normally be bigger.

for example, in my scenarios, i risked 3.5k per football weekend in season A while i risked 5.5k per football weekend in season B. therefore if u'd split the 5.5k risked on plays in season B on the plays u made in season A u'd have made more profit at the end of the year...
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10-24-2016 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Lumiere
u seem to have a lot of love for urself, curious as to what makes u a massive fave to be correct on sports betting...
Not dumb.

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I'm a sports betting noob so don't take my word as gospel but my interpretation of ROI is:

It's a useful measure only in so far as it establishes that you're a +EV bettor.

Once this has been established, the only thing that matters is profitability in dollar terms. Ask yourself, not what the ROI% is, but how much can i bet on something? And how much will it make me in dollar terms?

E.g. If you find a prop bet which you believe has 10% ROI, but you can only bet $400 on it (due to limits etc), that opportunity isn't anything like as attractive as a bet with only 3% ROI but a $10,000 limit.

Also, the only reason you might track ROI is to check that it isn't getting too high. But if you're fully investing your roll weekly or even daily (using kelly criterion), even this seems pointless.

One of the regulars can correct me if the above is rubbish.
Not really correct, but kinda. The fully investing thing you're caught up on is weird and irrelevant.

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U seem to show the concept of expected value/expected ROI, i'm speaking in terms of the ROI i turn as a long term result.

Of course i track wins/losses, profit, $ invested, $ returned, etc etc. but for example

If on an NFL season let's call it A of 16 games and etc i found 85 plays, risked 60k$ over the season and profited 5k$ which is roughly an 8% ROI

and the next season let's call it B i found 100 plays, risked 95k$ over the season and profited 6k$ which is roughly a 6% ROI

I would still consider season A a better season cuz my return per dollar invested is 8c over 6c for season B. I do understand that u make more cash in situation B, but it's just because i found more plays in season B, but i still fared worse. If i had been as accurate in season B as i was in season B, I'd have done near 8k$ profit at the end of the year. 8c to the dollar is always going to be better on the long run than 6c to the dollar.

I can agree that if u find more plays, win less cents per $ but put far more sample than another person(find more plays to bet) u can make more $ in the same amount of time on the same time period, i'm not going to go against that obv but if u risk more $ per day u need a bigger roll, or ur bet sizing will be lower, and ur $ swings will normally be bigger.

for example, in my scenarios, i risked 3.5k per football weekend in season A while i risked 5.5k per football weekend in season B. therefore if u'd split the 5.5k risked on plays in season B on the plays u made in season A u'd have made more profit at the end of the year...
This is one of the dumbest explanations I've ever heard and pretty much proves my point.

Only truly deluded would take less money to have a derivative number on a sheet look better. But this is how you stay a $77 pro.
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10-24-2016 , 12:02 PM
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This is one of the dumbest explanations I've ever heard and pretty much proves my point.

Only truly deluded would take less money to have a derivative number on a sheet look better. But this is how you stay a $77 pro.
u don't seem to have understood or read a single word i wrote but if it makes u feel better, let's list me as a 77$ pro w/e that means
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