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Old 03-08-2014, 11:16 PM   #251
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Better chance of succeeding as a scamdicapper than all the idiots than move there to bet on sports professionally after a season of run good.
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Old 03-09-2014, 12:01 AM   #252
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I'm not saying I got all the answers in life or even maybe a few, but my gut says going into something like this in Vegas never ends well. Be careful
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Old 03-09-2014, 12:11 AM   #253
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I'm not saying I got all the answers in life or even maybe a few, but my gut says going into something like this in Vegas never ends well. Be careful
I will. I'll keep a diary on here. I really don't have any degen qualities going into this,though...and I'm looking at a sub $1k nut a month.
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Old 03-09-2014, 12:52 AM   #254
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It's def that one. I've always considered you conscious while on 2p2 Wiper. Just not ALWAYS sure you have a conscience
best part is i'll remember it now.

second best part is you've definitely read a post of mine when i wasn't technically "conscious". lol
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Old 03-09-2014, 01:29 AM   #255
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UTHlXb0PXh4

Brilliant.
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Old 03-09-2014, 01:44 AM   #256
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Wow I'm in tears:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCBKQnt4ijs

comment below nails it:

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Totally fake, created for TV. Anyone can search and find that vipsports wasnt even registered as a website until a year ago. No one in Vegas has ever heard of him. Multiple telemarketing fraud convictions. There is no such thing as 50% commission on winners, just think of how insane that would be, you'd need to hit 69% to break even lol. Money management program, then puts 20% on one game lol!! They are calling it a "docu-soap". CNBC is basically giving a con man his first paid acting job."
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Old 03-09-2014, 01:49 AM   #257
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Man they didn't even attempt to make this look real.
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Old 03-09-2014, 02:41 AM   #258
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Man they didn't even attempt to make this look real.
Yeah...he has a horrible reputation. It's almost like they didn't even screen him.
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Old 03-09-2014, 07:23 AM   #259
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Can you explain the term "top con"
There's no such thing as too far. You understand? You push everything as far as you can. You push and you push and you push until it starts pushing back.

And then you push some goddamn more. I'd say that sums it up.
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Old 03-09-2014, 07:43 AM   #260
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It looks like CNBC unabashedly tried to make a Wolf of Sportsbooks show
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Old 03-09-2014, 03:00 PM   #261
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There's no such thing as too far. You understand? You push everything as far as you can. You push and you push and you push until it starts pushing back.

And then you push some goddamn more. I'd say that sums it up.
Moral or not. I believe there's money to be made in this racket. I'm 23, unattached...it's worth a shot.
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Old 03-09-2014, 03:11 PM   #262
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Moral or not. I believe there's money to be made in this racket. I'm 23, unattached...it's worth a shot.
If you thought there was money to be made from it, would you sell a pregnant mother crack? I'm not actually trolling here, it's a valid question based on what other posters have explained about this career and the impact it has on lives if you do your job "well".
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Old 03-09-2014, 03:56 PM   #263
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If you thought there was money to be made from it, would you sell a pregnant mother crack? I'm not actually trolling here, it's a valid question based on what other posters have explained about this career and the impact it has on lives if you do your job "well".
That is an excellent question. One I'm not comfortable answering right now.
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Old 03-09-2014, 03:56 PM   #264
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Diary of a Degen Hunter, is up on house of blogs. I'll be writing an entry every day.
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Old 03-16-2014, 04:25 PM   #265
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your job is not to handicap. your job is to get your foot in the door with a mark. and take him for ****ing everything. that simple. your job is to take IT ALL.

in a perfect world every client should wind up jumping off a bridge. because he is a hopeless degen believer. who lost everything, house, car, wife and all money. all because youre a top con who only cares about GETTING HIS.

Sounds like fun, right?

reevaluate things guy.

and LOL at services putting any effort into picking winners. this is how it goes. "Hey Carmine, who you like tonight?"
Have you been reading my blog?
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Old 03-16-2014, 07:51 PM   #266
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Have you been reading my blog?
Did it get deleted?
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Old 03-17-2014, 06:42 AM   #267
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FYI it probably got deleted cuz instead of doing a good exposé you started almost touting in 2p2 by the bs you were flowing about the wizard room. Shoulda listened to my advice
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Old 04-24-2014, 12:36 AM   #268
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Here's some actual proof that buying picks can be profitable.

I started with a $50k bank 3 and a half years ago and have made just over $300,000 profit by following tipsters. Every week I post my results on my blog. I don't want to be a d&^k by spamming the forum, but if you search my username you will be able to find it.

While it is hard finding good tipsters (someone else posted that 99.99% are crap), that's only the start. You need to be disciplined, be able to deal with losing runs (psychology is the most important aspect), figure out how much to bet, where to bet, when. A million other things.

You could go and copy the tipsters I use and still end up losing money.

If you treat it like an investment then you can actually make a profit by finding good tipsters.
where?

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Old 04-24-2014, 07:52 AM   #269
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Why do you talk about "models" when all you do is use touts?

My fav is when you tell people you are closing on April 1, and then you didn't really close!
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Old 04-24-2014, 10:41 AM   #270
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In Australia and the UK they are called tipsters, and these guys use mathematical models to come up with their plays, I also follow some that are purely opinion based.

I work off a very small ROI of 2-3% but turnover a heap, it is very possible to make a profit if you find the right "Touts", have the right staking strategy and are mentally strong enough to deal with the losing runs.

haha, the April fools joke was pretty good, I got a heap of emails from readers, was very funny.

Just wanted to give the other side of the coin as you all seem to say it isn't possible.

I don't have the maths skills or the passion/time to develop my own picks and nor would I ever want to, but if I can pay others that I make sure are legit and make a very healthy profit then I'm more then happy with that.
Theoretically speaking, if someone was good enough to beat the games at that clip, why would they bother selling the picks? I guess if they get banned from enough accounts it makes sense. But just strikes me as odd. There are 4-5 guys on here that are that good or better, and I dont think it's ever once occurred to them to tout.

How are you getting your pics in quick enough to beat the line moves?

Also when you say staking strategy, what do you mean? You're not just paying for a service like a classic tout, you're staking a skilled bettor?

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Old 04-24-2014, 11:35 AM   #271
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Note to poster just banned. If you'd like to come back with a non-commercial user name to discuss or respond and do so without self promoting, feel free.
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Old 04-24-2014, 11:37 AM   #272
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Theoretically speaking, if someone was good enough to beat the games at that clip, why would they bother selling the picks? I guess if they get banned from enough accounts it makes sense. But just strikes me as odd. There are 4-5 guys on here that are that good or better, and I dont think it's ever once occurred to them to tout.
I'm not defending touts here on the whole. Quite simply, the vast majority of touts are just salesman. They just happen to be selling sports info. Like all good salesman, the quality of the product is irrelevant.

But, there are a number of difficulties with regard to betting enough volume to make money, even if you are a solid, high-volume 5% ROI punter. Location and current roll are problematic for a lot of people, as are the swings associated with sports betting. I am a profitable sports bettor, but if I could also find 150 people to pay me $100/month for my picks, I would do it, and the venture would be profitable for me, as well as them. I've thought about doing this before, but the tedium of websites, advertising, tweeting, etc, etc, is extremely uninteresting to me. But, adding $15K of guaranteed revenue to my volatile gambling revenue stream? That part sounds good to me.

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Also when you say staking strategy, what do you mean? You're not just paying for a service like a classic tout, you're staking a skilled bettor?
Not sure if this is what he means, but I am aware of a few set-ups where a staker sets up offshore sportsbetting accounts, and the punter uses the funds there to place bets. Profits are shared via some agreed upon split. Staker fronts the money (and takes on any risk). Punter does the work. Sorta like poker staking.
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Old 04-24-2014, 11:45 AM   #273
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I'm not defending touts here on the whole. Quite simply, the vast majority of touts are just salesman. They just happen to be selling sports info. Like all good salesman, the quality of the product is irrelevant.

But, there are a number of difficulties with regard to betting enough volume to make money, even if you are a solid, high-volume 5% ROI punter. Location and current roll are problematic for a lot of people, as are the swings associated with sports betting. I am a profitable sports bettor, but if I could also find 150 people to pay me $100/month for my picks, I would do it, and the venture would be profitable for me, as well as them. I've thought about doing this before, but the tedium of websites, advertising, tweeting, etc, etc, is extremely uninteresting to me. But, adding $15K of guaranteed revenue to my volatile gambling revenue stream? That part sounds good to me.



Not sure if this is what he means, but I am aware of a few set-ups where a staker sets up offshore sportsbetting accounts, and the punter uses the funds there to place bets. Profits are shared via some agreed upon split. Staker fronts the money (and takes on any risk). Punter does the work. Sorta like poker staking.
This may sound simple and silly, but if you took $4000 of the $15000 to pay someone to do all the web/advert/tweeting etc... Wouldn't that work? You just need to do a bit of legwork up front to make it so that they can see your bets fairly quickly.
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Old 04-24-2014, 11:52 AM   #274
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This may sound simple and silly, but if you took $4000 of the $15000 to pay someone to do all the web/advert/tweeting etc... Wouldn't that work? You just need to do a bit of legwork up front to make it so that they can see your bets fairly quickly.
Not silly. Definitely could work.
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Old 04-26-2014, 04:27 AM   #275
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I gamble professionally in order to not have responsibilities and do as please, frequently missing out on volume/profits because I am too lazy to dedicate my energy to doing adequate research and spend months at a time barely doing anything productive or making money either (The Dude abides). Crushers print money as needed and being a tout and crushing sports are generally mutually exclusive. Marginally educated meatheads with 8th grade logic like Sharky exemplify the tout intellect and critical thinking ability.

I would never want to deal with degen gamblers or be on a schedule of providing picks. I hate attention and as my screen names implies, do not like most people in general. Besides, speaking from experience, half your clients would lose even if you spoon fed them something with a huge edge like Nascar or the first half of the NCAAF season.
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