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Old 08-07-2020, 01:45 PM   #1576
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Re: 2020 US Presidential Election Betting Thread

Swoop, I personally think Susan Rice is a great woman. Benghazi was a tragedy. Could it have been avoided? Maybe, but the same result could have happened under any presidents watch. No one can tell me otherwise.
But, that's not the issue I have with Rice. Maybe others have looked deeper into her and know a lot more than I do. But like I said, she's great, but have you heard her give a speech? It's like listening to an 80 year old grandmother. She's, as Trump would say it, low energy. Biden needs a more vibrant personality. That's my humble opinion.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...stments-392507

Plus there's stuff like this coming out about her!!

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Old 08-07-2020, 02:10 PM   #1577
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VPOTUS pick.

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Rice has less baggage, if they're gonna say Rice was national security advisor during Benghazi they could play that card 'Biden was VP during Benghazi' they just spent half a decade trying to blame Hillary for Benghazi, to now try and play the same card on Rice can't possibly be a winning tactic

Unless Rice has a Willie Brown or chucking black teenagers in jail for pot in her past, she has less baggage

I feel like it's what Biden will do, a safe pick, someone he trusts, less upside but less downside, etc
I'm sold !

Kamala Harris for Attorney General as a consolation prize, (I guess).
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Old 08-07-2020, 02:18 PM   #1578
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It's sad Biden can't find a VPOTUS candidate that doesn't have baggage.
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Old 08-07-2020, 03:48 PM   #1579
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what has happened to tighten this race? trump had a little bump in last two weeks and now a nice jump today

less idiocy from trump? biden dodging the mental acuity test?

kamala seems like such an easy pick. i think women will love her... i think rice will remind people too much (fairly or unfairly) of HRC
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Old 08-07-2020, 04:24 PM   #1580
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It does look like some polls tightened. Although not significantly. There are plenty of people who are terrified of the idea of white people not being fully in charge of the country that it doesn't matter how hard Trump tries to lose. Because of there's anyone who doesn't deserve to get reelected it's him. Maybe I'm off base and looking at people's motives falsely. I don't know.
This is why you can never be too sure. But nevertheless, people keep forgetting that Hillary Clinton lost Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania by the slimmest of margins. Unless some miracle happens, Trump will lose.


Edit: And has anyone seen that Axios interview of Trump?
I guess that strategy of a senile Biden is out the window.
Now Biden hates God, lol.

Edit: Trump yesterday an executive order banning tik tok that will take effect in 45 days. I guess he's a gambler and he's gambling the Google purchase will go through. So much for conservatives and their supposed Capitalism. Shocker. This is a socialist move. And Trump better pray it pays off. There will otherwise be 100 million angry American users.

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Old 08-07-2020, 07:22 PM   #1581
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thanks. good explanation

i agree that people underestimate how close pa, wis, mich were..... i would bet that with the same national popular vote margin as HRC that biden would win those 3 states..... and of course, winning by a much bigger popular vote margin is likely and would lead to significant EC margin......

i agree completely on people being afraid of the hardcore progressive movement becoming even more mainstream. the irony is that trump's idiocy has given them so positive momentum.

i would think biden and kamala should be fine on that score..... neither is really a hardcore progressive. kamala tries to be but her heart isn't in it.
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Old 08-07-2020, 07:23 PM   #1582
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god and trump..... so ironic......... was jesus misogynist like trump?........ the whole idea is comical, to say the least.
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Old 08-07-2020, 08:03 PM   #1583
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River, I think you make a good point about Kamala. She does bring some energy to the table too. I don't have anything riding on the VP pick though.
We'll see. She's remained a top favorite despite Elves!

You can't try to make sense out of what motivates Trump voters.
This presidency will go down as possibly the worst ever.
I guess you can't put them all in the same pot anyway. Everyone has their own incentives and reasons. It is what it is
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Old 08-07-2020, 08:41 PM   #1584
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Don't forget river, these are the people that want to stop unemployment benefits because they are afraid that people won't want to go back to work. To the jobs that have disappeared and don't exist anymore because of the shrinking economy because of Trump's disastrous handling of the virus. This is conservative logic. They'd rather people starve and become homeless. Try to make sense out of that.
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Old 08-07-2020, 10:08 PM   #1585
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You can't try to make sense out of what motivates Trump voters.
This presidency will go down as possibly the worst ever.
I guess you can't put them all in the same pot anyway. Everyone has their own incentives and reasons. It is what it is
the fact that you believe this is amazing lol

takes a special type of arrogance to even type that
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Old 08-07-2020, 10:48 PM   #1586
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Don't forget river, these are the people that want to stop unemployment benefits because they are afraid that people won't want to go back to work. To the jobs that have disappeared and don't exist anymore because of the shrinking economy because of Trump's disastrous handling of the virus. This is conservative logic. They'd rather people starve and become homeless. Try to make sense out of that.
not to mention that trump's campaign was based on how many jobs had been lost to mexico and china (he doesn't mention it, but automation and right-to-work states)... i.e. it's not people's fault they've lost their jobs

it seems like lower middle and middle class whites vote republican/trump due to some combination religion and old time values. maybe keeping the government out of their lives too..... i think they would be much much better economically to vote democratic but many are too stupid to realize it

to the one poster, there is ZERO justification for a reasonable person to vote for trump..... trump has done some good and unique things but i don't think there is any doubt that he is mentally deranged. i have 4 friends who are psych/psychiatrist/counsellors and they all have no doubt trump is mentally deranged.
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Old 08-07-2020, 11:16 PM   #1587
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not to mention that trump's campaign was based on how many jobs had been lost to mexico and china (he doesn't mention it, but automation and right-to-work states)... i.e. it's not people's fault they've lost their jobs

it seems like lower middle and middle class whites vote republican/trump due to some combination religion and old time values. maybe keeping the government out of their lives too..... i think they would be much much better economically to vote democratic but many are too stupid to realize it

to the one poster, there is ZERO justification for a reasonable person to vote for trump..... trump has done some good and unique things but i don't think there is any doubt that he is mentally deranged. i have 4 friends who are psych/psychiatrist/counsellors and they all have no doubt trump is mentally deranged.
Certainly not all conservative ideas are bad or backwards.
I live in Massachusetts and I voted for Republican governor Baker. And I'll have to vote for him again, even though I'd rather not next election. But he's done such a great job with the pandemic, it would be a betrayal of sorts of his efforts weren't acknowledged. As did a lot of Democrats.
But as I mentioned before, A typical New England Republican is different than a Republican from, let's say, Alabama.
Trump's base aren't Republican's.
They are simply registered Republican's because the Republican party more closely matches their values.
And yes, no dought, Trump is mentally ill.
Just like a lot of his base.

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Old 08-07-2020, 11:34 PM   #1588
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Rice is boring that's the point she's a boring competent qualified black woman

If you want someone high energy who will take the fight to trump while Biden hangs out in the basement you have to go Harris or Warren both are fighters. They're high risk in alienating moderates but they're smart and not scared mix it up which may excite the base although Harris has her own problems with the progressive wing
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Old 08-08-2020, 12:09 AM   #1589
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Rice is boring that's the point she's a boring competent qualified black woman

If you want someone high energy who will take the fight to trump while Biden hangs out in the basement you have to go Harris or Warren both are fighters. They're high risk in alienating moderates but they're smart and not scared mix it up which may excite the base although Harris has her own problems with the progressive wing
I'm starting to agree with you more and more. Warren and Harris are after all the two most popular now.
Biden still has time to pull a Hillary and make some people happy. He says he's not going to Wisconsin for his acceptance speech for fear of Covid 19. Really?
I don't know what he has planning but he better start becoming a little more proactive.
Then again, I live in Massachusetts. There's no reason for him to campaign here. For all I know, he's hugging baby's in Wisconsin this moment.
God it's boring in Mass. And hey buddy, the Rice boring thing is my idea.
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Old 08-08-2020, 01:41 AM   #1590
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what has happened to tighten this race? trump had a little bump in last two weeks and now a nice jump today

less idiocy from trump? biden dodging the mental acuity test?

kamala seems like such an easy pick. i think women will love her... i think rice will remind people too much (fairly or unfairly) of HRC

Definitely Dunce Cap material. Women hate Kamala Harris. Probably less than one percent of all media commenting on Kamala Harris has done even five percent of the amount of investigation that I have. Message board posters do more research than most media, but message board posters also make terrible mistakes when they weigh what factors actually matter.

Your post indicates that you have done essentially zero research on Kamala Harris...likely less than ten minutes. Yet you of course have an opinion, and opinion based on nothing at all, as evidenced by your outrageous speculation that women will like Kamala Harris. She is by many miles the least likeable of all on the VP short list. She is by far the least likeable of all presidential and VP candidates, and it is not even close. Everything about her is laughable, and almost every positive comment about her is based on what amounts to zero time spent studying her.

I will humiliate and destroy all Kamala Harris dollars next week. Anyone believing that some how, some way, Biden and his advisors will decide that Kamala Harris is the best choice for any reason are straight up imbeciles and lunatics. I've never seen stupidly this bad in many years. I remember about a decade ago, maybe longer, the Uconn women's college basketball team was 34 and 0, with the championship game to come. People started threads asking if they could beat the New Jersey Nets. I think Uconn might have even lost the championship game. If they won, they played like garbage. But people really asked the question. That, and posters suggesting that Rhonda Rousey would toss around Ndomeken Suh in the ring takes the cake. Some thought she would also beat up Floyd Mayweather.

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Old 08-08-2020, 02:07 AM   #1591
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Whitmer in to clear third fav now, I guess if she can deliver Michigan thats big if Biden doesn't go with a black woman as a running mate she's def up there if she's interested as far as safe picks go
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Old 08-08-2020, 02:40 AM   #1592
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Elves, regardless of the result can you hang around after the VP is picked. So we can all praise you or make fun of you?
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Old 08-08-2020, 05:30 AM   #1593
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I'm actually tempted to fire some more Rice. I feel like it's what Biden will do, a safe pick, someone he trusts, less upside but less downside, etc
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Swoop, I personally think Susan Rice is a great woman... Biden needs a more vibrant personality. That's my humble opinion.
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River, I think you make a good point about Kamala. She does bring some energy to the table too...
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Rice is boring that's the point she's a boring competent qualified black woman

If you want someone high energy who will take the fight to trump while Biden hangs out in the basement you have to go Harris or Warren ...
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I'm starting to agree with you more and more. Warren and Harris are after all the two most popular now...
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... Women hate Kamala Harris.
She is by many miles the least likeable of all on the VP short list.
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Whitmer in to clear third fav now, I guess if she can deliver Michigan thats big if Biden doesn't go with a black woman as a running mate she's def up there if she's interested as far as safe picks go
I will read a post here, and say to myself, "yup it's gonna be Rice as the VP pick, then I'll read another post and think it's gonna be Harris as the VP pick, and so on and so on it goes.

I can't make up my mind who it's gonna be.
But, I can tell you one thing, picking Elizabeth Warren would be an unmitigated disaster. Warren finished 3rd in her own state primary, which says a lot about her 'popularity'. Warren will cost Biden votes. She is disliked in Massachusetts, disliked in the New England states, and pretty much despised thru out the country by all but the talking heads on television and a few academia types. If Biden wants to pick someone who will fire up every Trumper in the country to get out and vote, it's Warren.

I wish Biden could find himself a blank slate for his VP pick. Someone everyone would say "who?", someone with no baggage. Sadly a person like that doesn't exist.

The best person for the job ... Jill Biden, but that's never gonna happen.

As far as Gretchen Whitmer for VP, I think at this point Biden needs to pick a Woman of color. I think going Caucasian at this point will piss people off, people you need to get out the vote.

I wish Biden could find a 'nondescript' well-spoken Woman of Spanish-African-American heritage, with a hint of political experience, for his VP pick, but I don't know of one.
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Elves, regardless of the result can you hang around after the VP is picked. So we can all praise you or make fun of you?

Biden's three closest advisors are his wife Jill, his sister, and Chris Dodd. All three have spoken out against Kamala Harris at various points. That is why they gave Biden the notes about her. He is trying to keep the peace. Plus, imagine that Stacy Abrams was actually under 10 to 1 at one point. Whitmer odds ballooned to incredible numbers but she was always solid.

There is zero chance that Joe Biden makes the biggest decision of his political life, and of the next decade of the history of the country, and decides that Kamala Harris is the right choice. It is zero without her personal ambush, insincerity, unlikeability, and horrible track record. Add in her betrayal in front of millions, pulling the race card and having t shirts for sale the moment she went after him, makes her likelihood of being selected at zero and nothing else.

You guys are fools. He will pick Elizabeth Warren or Whither before Harris. Or even Duckworth. Certainly there is no rational argument to ever pick Harris over Susan Rice. I mean, even Bass is chosen before Harris. You guys are just terrible at figuring out reality.
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Old 08-09-2020, 03:59 AM   #1595
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pocahontas and ms.sleepehrwaytothetop have zero chance

harris is indian too but she never claims it so that is another negative for her
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Old 08-09-2020, 12:15 PM   #1596
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Whitmer hype a result of her recent meeting with Biden

I guess it'd be a 'safe' choice in that it doesn't detract from the ticket, although it may hurt Biden with black turnout maybe - that said they turned out for him in the primaries and the field had candidates who were black, Obama as a campaign surrogate helps a lot there

I have no idea who Biden picks at this point. My gut says it's Rice, but I wouldn't be at all surprised by anyone except at this point Bass (I think Biden was legit thinking about her then the scientology/castro stuff happened)

Seems like Demings has lost her hype too, i'm guessing there's a good chance she has skeletons from her life as a cop

If he picks Whitmer or Harris they have to be relentless vetting their careers as Prosecutors to make sure there's nothing new/major there
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Old 08-09-2020, 03:42 PM   #1597
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Biden's three closest advisors are his wife Jill, his sister, and Chris Dodd. All three have spoken out against Kamala Harris at various points. That is why they gave Biden the notes about her. He is trying to keep the peace. Plus, imagine that Stacy Abrams was actually under 10 to 1 at one point. Whitmer odds ballooned to incredible numbers but she was always solid.

There is zero chance that Joe Biden makes the biggest decision of his political life, and of the next decade of the history of the country, and decides that Kamala Harris is the right choice. It is zero without her personal ambush, insincerity, unlikeability, and horrible track record. Add in her betrayal in front of millions, pulling the race card and having t shirts for sale the moment she went after him, makes her likelihood of being selected at zero and nothing else.

You guys are fools. He will pick Elizabeth Warren or Whither before Harris. Or even Duckworth. Certainly there is no rational argument to ever pick Harris over Susan Rice. I mean, even Bass is chosen before Harris. You guys are just terrible at figuring out reality.
You're forgetting the probability that Joe Biden says C'MON MAN to his advisors and then picks Harris
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Life is stranger than fiction. Just a day or two before Kamala Harris officially goes to zero percent, and with it zero percent of ever being president (because she could never get there with votes), a wrestler named Kamala Harris passes away. Google it....lol.

R.I.P Kamala Harris.
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Are we sure Elves's hitman didn't poison the wrong person?

Seriously though thanks for the tip - she's moved out to 2.4 (+140 US, 7/5 UK) on Betfair.
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