but PR is what they want which drives the narrative

what will people remember down the line?

same thing with the "hands up don't shoot"

it was admitted in court that it was a lie with the witnesses admitting to making it up on stand yet the lie is still perpetuated to this day

heck the other day thousands of white people were in the city on their knees with their hands up protesting

it's a losing battle

It’s a losing battle if you don’t particularly care about winning it, as we’ve seen with most phony “social conservatives” over the years. One example being all the hot air that was blown regarding gay marriage by conservatives, then they lost in court, and it almost immediately became a dead issue because they were afraid of being slapped with the homophobic label. Now we have rainbow flags everywhere and people identifying as genderqueer giraffes with blue hair, nonsense that wouldn’t have been tolerated at all just a few years ago if cons actually mounted a real defense against gay marriage, and we’re all much worse off for it. Even Trump is softening his stance on Kaepernick, not supporting cops as much, etc. Do you think that’s going to earn him one single vote that he otherwise wouldn’t have gotten?

Domer, it's a good pitch, but I'm not convinced.

Like I wrote earlier in the thread, this pick must above all be someone who could credibly step in as president on a moment's notice. Demings is not that person. Her most notable national accomplishment is being one of several impeachment managers. As someone who follows politics quite closely, I had no idea who she was until PredictIt listed her on the VP market.

The other big strike is, what happened in her police district under her watch? It was known for abusive practices during that time. They paid millions in jury awards. She didn't start it but she didn't end it either. Every reporter is going to start digging through abuse allegations from that period, and every one is going to get blamed on her. She may or may not deserve it, but it's going to be a steady, demoralizing drip-drip throughout the campaign.

Plus the usual, smaller strikes against her:
-No personal connection to Biden
-Never won a competitive race (her district has PVI D+11)
-Lost a Congressional race in 2010, and a mayoral race in 2014
-Never even ran a statewide race

I think she has an impressive backstory and has accomplished quite a lot in fields dominated by white men, despite growing up in poverty. I don't think that's enough to get her selected as Vice President.

I reject the premise that Demings hasn't done enough in national politics, but that Kamala has done enough.

Kamala was sworn in as a Senator in Jan of 2019. That is 17 months. She ran for President, connected with donors but not voters, and dropped out. As a Senator she is mostly known for feisty, partisan, super try-hard questioning during hearings and that is about it.

Her time as AG in California is a mixed bag.

Perception often is reality, and there definitely is a perception that she is ready to be President, no doubt. I agree. But perception aside, she is no more ready than Demings. She has name ID, and Demings does not. This is a hindrance (immediate questions of "is this person I've never heard of ready to be Pres?") but also a huge opportunity (Biden will get to define her first for Americans in front of a huge TV audience).

You are right that she has no personal connection to Biden. That may matter. I don't know anything about Biden's criteria on that front. Some people choose running mates for that reason, most don't. Did Obama have a personal connection to Biden? No.

This is a political election that is by no means a foregone conclusion. Biden just started his national campaign today with two ads, both focusing on Biden as a nice person/uniter in politics. He emphasized that he is running to restore the "soul of America." It's easy to see Demings fitting that election message, and not as easy to see Kamala fitting that message.

And just to correct something, she narrowly lost a Congressional race in 2012, not 2010, and OUTPERFORMED Obama by almost 3 points while doing it. Barack Obama, who is, in case you forgot, the most successful Democrat politician in the past 20 years. If that is a strike *against* her, you're insane.

lol wat people who post here are actually against gay marriage in 2020?

Stunning. Brave.

How did a liberal president who deported the most illegals and bomb the most countries become the most beloved president in all of history?

Only because it was always a slippery slope. I remember being against it in high school, proclaiming that cows would be able to marry pigs half-jokingly if we weren’t careful, and here we are in Trannyland acting like this is all very normal somehow

lincoln was pretty charismatic

but on a serious note, you have a very ephemeral understanding of what defines a conservative or liberal if you believe going to war or deportation is against liberal ideals

but then again i don't think anyone here would accuse you of having more than a surface level understanding of anything

not sure how you got that from my post but o well lol

it was more to do with the fact that obama is only loved because the media turned a blind eye for 8 years because he was black

he did everything that every other president is hated for and more yet he is somehow the golden child

just stop embarrassing yourself brother you already do it enough in every other thread

stick to your own word and ignore me already lol

if you look back in both practice and in public platforms/speeches etc you'll notice that the conservatives were the ones who wished to be "conservative" militarily keeping the army at home and the liberals were the ones who wanted to be "liberal" with the army and send it everything to make good use of it

since the warhawks of the democratic party defected to the republicans (because they thought they were softening) as neocons, the identity has shifted away from policy to party - today Republican is what Republican does and Democrat is what Democrat does so they don't really hold fast to those nuanced issues and more position themselves around things like abortion and gun control instead because those so infrequently come into actual governance yet people care about them deeply so they are easy platforms that rarely require following through

if we pretend we don't know anything about Bush 45 other than objective grading of his policies then he's actually one of the most liberal presidents we've ever had

you don't really understand this nuance, which is fine, and you're already an ******* anyway so I guess asking you to stop being an ******* isn't reasonable either, but you're dead wrong about what you think you know - the reality is there no longer are rules for what a party stands for but if we went historically then the democrats are far and away the warhawks by comparison

It's not about the actual merit, it's about perceived merit by the journalist class. Kamala has been touted as Obama 2.0 (though she certainly fell short of that in the primaries), and everyone knows who she is. Demings' national name recognition is surely below 10%.

Defining Demings is an opportunity, but it's also a huge risk. Both Biden and Trump camps would be spinning furiously. I'm guessing Trump would try to paint her as uppity/bossy/too ambitious, while also drawing a lot of attention to Orlando PD's abuses.

If you're Biden with a 10 point lead, you want to minimize volatility. Why risk bringing in a new name that could go all Palin on you? Go with someone who's been to the big dance and been thoroughly vetted by the media. Yeah, Kamala's Willie Brown thing is bad, but it was 25 years ago and hasn't stopped her from winning several big elections.

I'm surprised you put it that way, because just about every article I read about the VP selection process has quotes from insiders saying a personal connection is important to Biden.

Demings doesn't have zero chance. If you could buy her for 1 or 2, I'd love that bet. At 16, I think she's fairly valued.

Ivr, posdravlyayu tebya. Ty khoroshiy tovarischch.
Khoroshego dnya.

Lvr is the worst but the idea that liberals are called liberals because they want to use the military “liberally” is asinine. I’m sorry.

poogs, that's not what i actually stated for what it's worth, guess i shouldn't get cute with words

but 100% republicans are historically the keep the army for self defense and keep it at home party and the democrats are the build a navy and go assert ourselves internationally party

In a piece in Reason, the Libertarian magazine,(yes, I'm a subscriber), about billionaire Trump supporter Peter Theil, They Referenced a certain, neo-conservative, columnist called Curtis Yarvin, "who argues that monarchy is inherently better than democracy, that street crime is more of a danger to his reader's lives than all of government's depredations, and that the worse sins of modernity is that people refuse to speak candidly about IQ differences across human types".

So the moral of the story is,
Political party ideologies in both party's have drastically changed and are no longer what they stood for and are constantly evolving.
And, if these people manage to cement their grip on American politics, boys and girls, we are fvcked.

Considering that racial differences in IQ aren’t mentioned at all in the mainstream and the country is on fire as a result of this denial of reality, I don’t see the problem with this at this point. Sure, it can get bad the other way down the line, but we’ve been headed towards Commieland for years and it’s time for a major correction to political discourse, otherwise the country will be toast.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2.../#4725b01a4490

I don't think that it can be or that it ever has been proven that one race has a higher IQ than the other. If anything, than we, the white race, ( do greeks count. or are we Greeks part of the Mediterranean Olive race?) have to bow our heads to the Asian race.
And I'm not going to keep repeating myself. If you or anybody doesn't believe that systematic oppression and discrimination is real, and that it has negative effects to those who are the victims of it,well, what can I say. Maybe you have been living in some cave. Just take a look at what happened in Tulsa in 1921. Something I knew about before a week ago.

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And the People Who Annoy You are incredibly violent as well, but their crime rates are largely ignored by the mass media, unless the media can perform mental gymnastics to blame white people for pulling the trigger or burning down Autozone or whatever else. It’s funny though, they never seem to want to go back to Africa to avoid those pesky whites going forward. And that also applies to other races and their countries of origin.

I remember my old man telling me that when he was growing up, the brown people in his area were Italians. It was a simpler time, a better time. And if Greeks are brown than I’ll take them as well over the current brown people that are being imported in droves.

Steelers, I am not the all mighty know it all. Your beliefs are yours and
I'll have to respect them. And I'm not going to expend my mental energy trying to change them either.
But I'm a little confused. What do you mean they never want to go back to Africa? Do you realize what you're saying?

Could this be the beginning of the end of the Trump presidency?
Not being political, wink, wink.
Tulsa rally crowd embarrassingly small.
Many possible reasons. One possibly being that we have a pandemic going on.
And our president is leading by example and being the true leader that he is, by following his own governments guidelines.
Wait, uhh, never mind.

Um the last 3 major wars America was involved in were all started by Republican administrations

The last big military adventure under a dem admin was Vietnam and even there it technically started under Eisenhower although obv it was mostly LBJ

The last major wars abroad America got involved in started by a Democrat would have been ww2 and Korea under FDR and Truman right? I'm not counting Kosovo etc as an all out war, but at the very least the gulf war Afghanistan and Iraq were all started under Republican administrations (bush and bush jr)

Historically stuff that happened pre ww2 isn't relevant as the parties have switched stances on tons of issues since then, democrats were conservatives and Republicans were progressives in the early days

Also Steelers you seem to be a little bit of a racist dickhead since no one else has outright said so yet

Sorry for speaking out against a white genocide movement. I promise to do better in the future and educate myself

As long as you're making money in sports betting, or any other way, that's the most important thing I guess as far as education guess.
So, if you're doing good for yourself, then yeah, the next step should be to expand your knowledge and become a more understanding human being. Because, not to be offensive, but you sound like a school dropout dude.
It's actually embarrassing. Especially for someone who claims to belong to a group with higher IQ.