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03-26-2014 , 03:20 PM
Villain is labeled as fishy. Cold shoves QQ pre and bets like a total noob. No post flop betting strategy. Bets really weird. Those are my notes on him.

This is 50NL,6 max

I get 77. I am on button.

Villain raises to 2.25 , I call.

Flop is 7 Q 9

Villain checks quickly.

I bet half pot, pot is now $6. Villain quickly raises to $35. I figured I would be facing a shove on turn.

We were both 200 BB deep.

My radar went off I thought it was kind of obvious he checks his top set.

I decided to call raise on flop. Turn is a brick, villain shoves.

I made the call...

He had top set...

I got sick knowing I was so close to just snap folding on flop but I called it down anyway.

Opinions?
03-30-2014 , 07:57 PM
I dont agree with the post above.

Since he is a fish he can easily overvalue his hand and think aa-kk or even AQ is the nuts here. I'm snapcalling all day long if my read is that villain is a bad player.
03-30-2014 , 08:13 PM
I don't think I could get away from a set of 7s here
03-30-2014 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 44cracked
If this guy is as bad as you say he is (and of course, all of our opponents are fish while each and every one of us is a genius), then he won't be playing any kind of deep game. Therefore, the flop check means 1) he actually missed the flop or 2) he French-kissed it. He would c-bet AA, KK, or even JJ or 1010 because the flop is mildly draw-heavy. The flop checkraise is a wee bit unsubtle (and probably costs him money in the long run), but your response to it was silly, given that you correctly assumed you would be facing a turn shove. Therefore, you're basically playing for stacks as soon as he checkraises the flop.

Now we ask, what could he have that I beat? AA, KK...but would he check those hands on the flop? J10...possibly a semibluff but he would have had to have raised with it preflop and then pulled a fancy play rather than just c-betting as a semibluff--not within this guy's aegis. There is pretty much no other hand with which his actions make sense other than 99 or QQ.

Therefore, you should have either shoved on the flop (not good), repopped him to 75-80 (only viable if you can let it go if he shoves now or on the turn), or better still, mucked your bottom set. It only hurts for a little while.

Your basic mistake was not honoring your read of this guy. Fish puts all dem chips in=fish has a monster. Period.
as the posts below yours say, they think I should have played it out. But from my perspective...the very strange immediate check...VERY fast check...then big way out of the ordinary raise to my $2 bet (lolz) just seemed like a maniacal fish way of betting top set.

The quick check was his way of showing weakness cause he got very excited he hit top set there. Why would he quickly check AA or KK ? It was very out of place and my read was correct.
03-30-2014 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SamiHyppie
I dont agree with the post above.

Since he is a fish he can easily overvalue his hand and think aa-kk or even AQ is the nuts here. I'm snapcalling all day long if my read is that villain is a bad player.
true but the very fast check then spaz raise implied he was trying to hide something then freaked out and raised huge with top set.
03-30-2014 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SamiHyppie
I dont agree with the post above.

Since he is a fish he can easily overvalue his hand and think aa-kk or even AQ is the nuts here. I'm snapcalling all day long if my read is that villain is a bad player.
true but the very fast check then spaz raise implied he was trying to hide something then freaked out and raised huge with top set.

      
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