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Two pair got 3bet otf and agression ott Two pair got 3bet otf and agression ott

02-23-2015 , 06:58 AM
Do not know this villain well,only read on him that bvb cbet QQ then check! (guess planning c/r) Qd8h4d 5h.

only 140 hand on him ,so basically any postflop stat irrelevant.Seems like cbet a lot.

iPoker - €1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 104.35 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
BTN: 35.6 BB (VPIP: 31.88, PFR: 19.12, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 71)
SB: 111 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 17.14, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 143)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 109.7 BB (VPIP: 19.25, PFR: 16.84, 3Bet Preflop: 8.78, Hands: 385)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.60, PFR: 17.90, 3Bet Preflop: 6.15, Hands: 173)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 K

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) K 6 T
SB bets 2.8 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB raises to 22 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Turn: (48 BB, 2 players) J
SB bets 33.6 BB, hero?

Is there anybody who fold to a flop 3bet or just call cbet?Maybe I am wrong but it seems weak for me.
02-23-2015 , 04:41 PM
if you dont want to get it in dont raise flop. I like raise though, but vs unknown I just jam flop.
As played turn is annoying, still have to call most likely
02-23-2015 , 05:34 PM
Fold.
02-23-2015 , 06:20 PM
First things first, you can 3b with K6o preflop if you want, but don´t flat.
As played I probably 4b jam the flop (combo draws, AK, AA and even KQ KJ are all on his range, vs TT, KT and the very unlikely KK or 66). I call turn as well.
02-24-2015 , 11:43 PM
Yoshimiii...weak 6316th post man lol
Little surprised you usually illab maybe ur tired...
I agree w I squeeze, fold or 3-bet pre.
K6o doesnt play well enough post to flat
Flop I gii
we are ahead of.his range and there are alot.of bad turns that make life miserable
02-25-2015 , 12:16 AM
Awful hand to 3bet, flat against almost anyone who 2x SB.

Re-raise 52s or something instead.
02-25-2015 , 02:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirwanda
Awful hand to 3bet, flat against almost anyone who 2x SB.

Re-raise 52s or something instead.
This obviously. I've never seen Nirwanda give bad advice.
02-25-2015 , 06:27 AM
Flop - I would GII I would think. Flush draws, straight draws, AK, etc you're ahead of as already mentioned.


Turn - Think I'm calling and seeing what falls on the river.
02-25-2015 , 07:44 AM
I don't think it's a terrible hand to 3bet. What makes you think it is?

Probably just call flop.

As played, I'd click it back on the flop and get it in.
02-25-2015 , 08:29 AM
Jd only improve AQcc, and Q9cc if we were ahead, we still should be
02-25-2015 , 08:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EC2200
This obviously. I've never seen Nirwanda give bad advice.
No it is not obvious....
Even if youve never seen a poster give bad advice before
02-25-2015 , 08:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirwanda
Awful hand to 3bet, flat against almost anyone who 2x SB.

Re-raise 52s or something instead.
52 or something instead depends on what villys percieved range is and if we decide to 3-bet a polarised range or a merged range.
Also imo we dont need K6o in our flatting range, even vs a 2x SB open
02-25-2015 , 09:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Position
Also imo we dont need K6o in our flatting range, even vs a 2x SB open
We need it in our continuing range, that's for sure. And since we are limited in the amount of hands we can 3bet bluffs, K6o has to be in our flatting range as well.
02-25-2015 , 09:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
We need it in our continuing range, that's for sure. And since we are limited in the amount of hands we can 3bet bluffs, K6o has to be in our flatting range as well.
Admitedly i may be a little nitty with my flatting range.
I do have a high 3-bet % however.
Why are we limited in amount of hands we can 3-bet bluff?
Looks like i 3-bet wider here and you flat wider here.
Not sold yet on where the line should be drawn
02-25-2015 , 10:54 AM
This is never a fold pre-flop with position vs 2x.

I don't see why you'd want to 3 bet this hand either. I agree with Nirwanda post
02-25-2015 , 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Position
K6o doesnt play well enough post to flat
If his range is wide enough (which it should be cause 2x raise) and we are getting good enough pot odds which we are vs wide range then it should be fine.

52s better to 3 bet cause we can barrel gutshots and FD's more if he calls, but it's pretty meh when we flop pair and he has initiative.

This is my thinking. Also what does illab mean?
02-25-2015 , 11:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by i squeeze
First things first, you can 3b with K6o preflop if you want, but don´t flat.
As played I probably 4b jam the flop (combo draws, AK, AA and even KQ KJ are all on his range, vs TT, KT and the very unlikely KK or 66). I call turn as well.
AK/QK/KJ don't do this and I personally think people just flat draws and fold AQ type hands on flop but I don't play poker anymore so what do I know.
02-25-2015 , 11:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Position
Why are we limited in amount of hands we can 3-bet bluff?
Looks like i 3-bet wider here and you flat wider here.
Not sold yet on where the line should be drawn
Because if we want to play balanced, we need roughly 2 bluffs for every value3bet. I assume you can agree that our value3bets are limited?
02-25-2015 , 11:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshimiii
This is never a fold pre-flop with position vs 2x.

I don't see why you'd want to 3 bet this hand either. I agree with Nirwanda post
I want to 3-bet because K6 doest play that well post and its s good blocker hand to to blow SB out pre.
Do you flat A2?
Yoshi and Nirwands what are your 3-bet ranges?
Looks like im alot wider (maybe too wide)
Your flatting ranges may be too wide though
*sorry illaberate ha
02-25-2015 , 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Position
I want to 3-bet because K6 doest play that well post and its s good blocker hand to to blow SB out pre.
Do you flat A2?
Yoshi and Nirwands what are your 3-bet ranges?
Looks like im alot wider (maybe too wide)
Your flatting ranges may be too wide though
*sorry illaberate ha
To me it just sounds like you're uncomfortable with wide range spots.
02-25-2015 , 12:22 PM
I personally think K6os is too strong of a hand to 3bet bluff

maybe K2os A2os?
02-25-2015 , 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by just_grindin
To me it just sounds like you're uncomfortable with wide range spots.
More so uncbmfortable calling raises pf and folding to c-bets
02-25-2015 , 12:28 PM
If the reasoning is that we can profitably call with K6o, we can profitably call with almost any 2. K2o is worse yeah, A2o might be a stronger call than A6o actually.

I'm not sure the logic of 3betting the very bottom of our calling range holds though.
02-25-2015 , 01:16 PM
I think you played it well. You can flat a 1bb in position with K6o. You flopped well and raised on a board where a lot of bad turn cards to come. He re-raised you small and you don't want to jam it in because your not going to bet value from any worse with a re-re-raise. Keep his bluffs and his one pair non-ace combo draws in the hand.

On the turn I think I like a jam after he bets. If you call the trun your totally committed with 110bb in the pot with 45bb behind and you dont want any combo draws on draws/gutshots to be able to fold river. I think top 2 is so close to the top of your range (your raisng KK and TT preflop) you just can't be folding here against an unknown in BvB so i think call flop re-raise and just put the rest in on the turn. If he flopped a set of tens then chalk it up as a cooler. Your blocking half his set combos and 2 pair as well so draws are way more likely here. On the turn if your behind your getting it in on the river anyways but against flush+pair draws or flush+gutshot draws your going to get a call from them and they might just check/fold bricked out rivers.

Last edited by TheSamasaurus; 02-25-2015 at 01:25 PM.
02-25-2015 , 01:19 PM
3-betting preflop is abysmal btw.

You want 1-1 and you don't want K60 to be one of your bluffing hands. This advice is so bad it isn't even suitable for micros.

K6 never flops well except for right now. If your going to 3-bet you want to do it with hands that play well against hands that call 3-bets. Suited connectors are suited aces like A7s and A4s and 45s and 78s are examples. K6o is often dominated and has awful RIO against anything that calls a 3-bet preflop.

Super clear call. bordering on a fold (if he bet 2.5bb i wud argue its a fold against a non-fish), but for 2bb its a call with K6o

      
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