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Old 03-09-2017, 07:02 PM   #1
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triple in 3bet pot

100nl ignition anon. vil's playing 20/16/8 0% fold to 3b (1 sample) over 70~. this hand was a little while ago so i don't remember any particular reads.

preflop - i use this hand as a very low frequency 3bet (rng). folding pre is definitely my standard play.
postflop - in theory this is probably the best hand to barrel off, however, given positions and how strong his range should be i'm not sure if i should have much of a bluffing range at all. give up vs utg and save this play for later position 3b pots?

CO: $117.93
BTN: $71.63
Hero (SB): $100.00
BB: $100.00
UTG: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K Q
UTG raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, UTG calls $7

Flop: ($21.00) 2 A J (2 players)
Hero bets $7.17, UTG calls $7.17

Turn: ($35.34) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $20.16, UTG calls $20.16

River: ($75.66) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $62.67 and is all-in
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Old 03-09-2017, 10:53 PM   #2
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

Uhm yeah just fold pre..

I'd just give up flop. UTG's going to continue a lot on this board, and you only have 3 clean outs. Would probably c-bet with Kd or Qd

I dont understand why you are 1/3 potting. This is a pretty dynamic board, and you dont really have a big range advantage. It just looks like you're copying bet sizes.

Just give up turn. AP, triple is fine since you block no diamonds, you block AK/AQ. Expect to get called a lot by AQ/some AK though/A10s.
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Old 03-10-2017, 12:32 AM   #3
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

this is a spot where you've got a shot to hammer your range advantage because you can rep AA/AK/JJ a lot better than your opponent. if you're gonna take this line you might as well bet bigger on both streets to get him to fold most of his range

also probably folding or flatting KQo pre more often than i'm raising
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Old 03-10-2017, 01:09 AM   #4
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

Flatting here is out lf the question from the SB. It's a 3-bet or fold, generally a fold.
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Old 03-10-2017, 06:12 AM   #5
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

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I dont understand why you are 1/3 potting. This is a pretty dynamic board, and you dont really have a big range advantage. It just looks like you're copying bet sizes.
i think we have more Ax than villain since we include some suited wheel aces and a very few AJo type hands. i could be wrong though, let me know what you think of these ranges

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.879% 55.77% 02.11% 1129144 42637.00 { KK+, QcQs, QdQh, QdQs, QhQs, JdJh, JdJs, JhJs, AcKc, AhKh, AcQc, AcJc, AhTh, Ac5c, Ad4d, Ah3h, Ah2h, KsQs, JdTd, Th9h, 9c8c, 8d7d, 7h6h, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AdKh, AdKs, AhKs, AcQs, AdQs, AhQs, AdJs, AhJs, KhQs }
Hand 1: 42.121% 40.02% 02.11% 810132 42637.00 { AdAs, AhAs, KhKs, QdQh, QdQs, QhQs, JJ-88, ATs+, KQs, KdJd, KsJs, QdJd, QsJs, JTs, AQo+ }
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Old 03-10-2017, 01:52 PM   #6
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

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i think we have more Ax than villain since we include some suited wheel aces and a very few AJo type hands. i could be wrong though, let me know what you think of these ranges

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.879% 55.77% 02.11% 1129144 42637.00 { KK+, QcQs, QdQh, QdQs, QhQs, JdJh, JdJs, JhJs, AcKc, AhKh, AcQc, AcJc, AhTh, Ac5c, Ad4d, Ah3h, Ah2h, KsQs, JdTd, Th9h, 9c8c, 8d7d, 7h6h, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AdKh, AdKs, AhKs, AcQs, AdQs, AhQs, AdJs, AhJs, KhQs }
Hand 1: 42.121% 40.02% 02.11% 810132 42637.00 { AdAs, AhAs, KhKs, QdQh, QdQs, QhQs, JJ-88, ATs+, KQs, KdJd, KsJs, QdJd, QsJs, JTs, AQo+ }
Pretty reasonable range. It's just that I don't think this is the type of ideal board you want to be betting 1/3 pot 95% of your range on like you would on k72r given positions and how dynamic it is
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Old 03-14-2017, 08:04 PM   #7
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

3betting this pre is generally a leak. C-betting that small is bad too, either check or c-bet 2/3rds. Barreling off is meh, choose hands with backdoors at least.
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Old 03-14-2017, 08:15 PM   #8
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

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100nl ignition anon. vil's playing 20/16/8 0% fold to 3b (1 sample) over 70~. this hand was a little while ago so i don't remember any particular reads.

preflop - i use this hand as a very low frequency 3bet (rng). folding pre is definitely my standard play.
postflop - in theory this is probably the best hand to barrel off, however, given positions and how strong his range should be i'm not sure if i should have much of a bluffing range at all. give up vs utg and save this play for later position 3b pots?

CO: $117.93
BTN: $71.63
Hero (SB): $100.00
BB: $100.00
UTG: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K Q
UTG raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, UTG calls $7

Flop: ($21.00) 2 A J (2 players)
Hero bets $7.17, UTG calls $7.17

Turn: ($35.34) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $20.16, UTG calls $20.16

River: ($75.66) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $62.67 and is all-in
3b pre at small frequency is fine, std fold. Once you get to riv with no diamonds def bluff. wp
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Old 03-15-2017, 04:43 PM   #9
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

Fold pre, you don't want to be 3-betting much OOP vs tight ranges, specially with KQo, SCs are way better to 3-bet in that spot since the boards you hit aren't dominated by villain's calling range.

Also if you want to 3-bet light vs UTG opens from the blinds, do it more from the BB so you can't get cold 4-betted.

As played, you should jam any non-diamond river, since you don't have blockers to the flush draw, you would fold some Axdd villain has, also it's not like you can check-call a busted draw OTR with your hand, so jamming there is fine, you put a lot pf pressure on weak aces villain may have.

OFC you will find some slowplayed fullhouses OTR, but 22 has only 1 combo and AA usually 4-bet pre, so with blockers to AQ/AK, your jam can fold a lot of AT there.

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Old 03-20-2017, 06:55 AM   #10
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

This is just a very bad hand to 3bet vs utg
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:42 PM   #11
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

Didn't notice that this was vs MP open, since it's 5-handed. Pre is fine imo from the SB. Clear call from the BB.

We're only dominated by AQ postflop, so RIO/domination isn't an issue. 3-betting linear and having a small %/non-existant flatting range from the SB is pretty standard nowadays.
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:05 PM   #12
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

Seems wp to me

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I dont understand why you are 1/3 potting. This is a pretty dynamic board
Is it? For our range perhaps, for villain's?
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:47 AM   #13
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

i can't think of any reason why you would want to bother with a "low frequency 3bet" type strategy. you shouldn't have a flatting range pre, and i can't imagine it's even remotely worth the effort at this stack depth & these stakes to employ a mixed strategy with any hand. also KQo is almost certainly a -EV 3bet here (ESPECIALLY when he's been nitty so far), so I wouldn't ever consider mixing with this hand anyway.
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Old 03-21-2017, 03:28 AM   #14
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

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i can't think of any reason why you would want to bother with a "low frequency 3bet" type strategy. you shouldn't have a flatting range pre, and i can't imagine it's even remotely worth the effort at this stack depth & these stakes to employ a mixed strategy with any hand. also KQo is almost certainly a -EV 3bet here (ESPECIALLY when he's been nitty so far), so I wouldn't ever consider mixing with this hand anyway.
interesting. so 66-QQ, AQ+ are always 3b or fold in your game in these positions?
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Old 03-21-2017, 04:49 AM   #15
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

i think we can have a flatting range in SB (but very narrow, AJs, AQs, AK,99-JJ sth like that)
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Old 03-21-2017, 07:45 AM   #16
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Re: triple in 3bet pot

^ I prefer to 3-bet or fold from SB with entire range vs an opener and no caller. With a caller I only flat 22-1010, unless it's late position I'll 3b 99-1010. Everything else I just 3b or fold
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