Sitting in a 1/2 no limit. Not too much history besides this guy is tight aggressive.

Button straddle is on and I am in the cutoff with 64s. This button guy straddles from lots of positions and doesn't raise his straddle hardly at all. Doing it just to make bigger pot. So there are 4 limps and I complete. Said Villian was UTG and he is about 375 effective and I'm about 325 effective.

Flop comes Q64 rainbow. Said Villian bets out for 10 Get one other intermediate caller and I raise to 35. Villian calls and we go to a turn. Turn is the 9s. Bringing flush draw. He bets out again for 40. I think for a little finding it weird he would bet into me again but he seems like a regular so maybe he is used to weak players here who raise and check turn or he is getting stubborn with a good queen that he decided to limp strong or maybe he had a set of turn two pair with Q9 or 69. But since I have blockers I doubt it's set. And would he really call my raise with many people still to act with Q9 or 69. I am thinking good queen that limped strong.

After those thoughts I raise to 110. He thinks for a little and calls. River is 3s. He bets 111 into me. I? For reasons above I am confused. Who keeps betting into a two street raiser? Can't ever really have QQ here. So far he has won a few 3bet pots and he had JJ+ on each time he 3bet. I am starting to think maybe a draw or combo draw like 75ss or Q9 for a turned better two pair. Do I fold or call? I don't think I can jam this river for value.

Raise more on flop. Call turn. Call river, if not too big.

As played, Fold on River. Set or straigth. Doesn't at all have a bluff range in 1/2$ there and you have the worst hand you can have there. If hes a complete fish looking to stack with overpairs/tptk always, maybe I can find a call.


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Just FYI, I'd generally look to play smaller pots with your hand, also you are in position, raise on turn obtains nothing. You fold worst hands and get called by better (if the player is good mind you).


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That's what I was thinking was folding river would be best. I was thinking QQ is definitely out of the question. I have blockers to 66 and 44. Not unheard of to still get that

But being lower limits I have seen lots of dumb plays and just kind of lumped him into the bad players category. Especially considering. He bet called bet. What good player doesn't just check it to the raiser on the turn and instead check call with all of his range. The way he played the hand was weird.

I disagree. I don't think this can ever really be a straight unless it's exactly 75ss. But then it would be a flush. I don't ever think a straight draw would bet call bet call on this run out. Maybe some amount of the time it's AQss but he would likely raise cause he seemed to be playing ABC poker. Raise good hands and bet for value.

All in all. I talked myself into a call thinking he could be a spazzing out but I agree I'm at the bottom of my range the way the hand played out.

But raising more on flop. Calling turn and calling river sounds good. I kind of like that line a little more. But I would feel I am not protecting my hand and getting enough value from silly Qs that are a spazzing and going for 3 streets of value.

Any other thoughts. How can you be so sure it's straights or sets this way especially considering my blockers and QQ is 99% Not likely.

The turn raise then his call. You effectively make yourself pot comited and can't fold river alot. If he is half decent he will realize that. 2 pairs would check call river, and its definately a weird line for him on the turn. Color bluff he would shove not bet 111$, unless hes bad.

If he was taking a bluff line on the turn, he has the odds to call wih any 5-7 because he has no reason to think he does not have you comitted. So about 18%, calling 70 into 600/700$ (10%).

I think a straight is more likely because your flop re-raise is so small he gets proper odds. On turn with your raise implieds are more likely, and your range really is capped since you limped, he has to think you have 44 or 66. Or a ****ty 2pair. Thats why he makes it 111$ prety smart, you would fold a shove with that hand, and you will repop with a set to which he can call with his higher set or straigth.

Any way we really don't need to put villain on that hand to fold, any holdings in his range beats your holding. I would probably fold pocket 4's in that spot.

You put too much importance on blockers.






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I call river, there are just too many dumb hands that you can potentially see to fold.

What amount of the time do you think he has value hands versus bluffs vs top pair turning hand into bluff?

Your speaking very generally saying he likely only has hands that beat me. Straight is your go to. But what else does he have that beats me with this line? And blockers is important because that makes only 2 combinations of likely sets with his preflop limp.

Also just wanted discussion. Because I have never seen someone at 1/2 take a line of bet call bet call bet. I think it's very polarizing

Sets, straigth, better 2 pair otf (I think it is a bad line with that hand and exploitable.) He doesn't need to have alot of combinations of hands in a spot, he can have very few combination of hands, I think it is the case here.


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100% of the time value in his mind. Whether that is tptk, overpair, 2pair, set or straigth. Don't forget these are assumptions for a ok reg 1/2$ player. Since I give him credit I remove tpgk. I've seen bad regs take this line with kings and aces.


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I'm raising bigger on the flop and likely just calling on the turn. On the river, player dependent, don't think either decision is a big mistake, but after lead on the turn and river, I think it is likely you are beat how the hand was played.

yeah just raise flop and call down turn and river

fold pre

that too

Fold pre? Don't be such a nit lol

You can call me a nit while you continue to rebuy and I continue to cash. Also, I raise well over 20% of my hands. Hardly a nit.

46s is simply trash. Limping it like you did is a fish move. No offense.

I wouldn't call nick619 a nit. There are a lot of problems that compound overall here for sure.

First, you say your opponent is a tight aggressive player, but you don't have much history with anyone? I think just the initial analysis might be off considering he limps UTG on a button straddle, which I would assure a TAG player would most certainly not in the 3rd worst position on the table. Then you go on to say that the straddle never raises, and you have the near bottom of your range with 4 other limpers. If you're going to play 46s in the cutoff to all limps you may as well raise, knock out the straddle, play the pot in position and can barrel a bunch of flops as bluffs and even some for value. Like, you're going to check fold a lot, get into spots like you did in this instance, will be crushed by other hands, etc. Just a weak move especially since the limpers can't have much of anything limping. if you don't have enough BB's to outplay someone, this surely can be argued to fold unless you're gambling it up a little bit.

Flop is standard, probably has QX, could have 35s, 66 or 44 (yes you block it, doesn't change he can have it), 6X, I guess Q6s if hes gambling on the straddle. Does 99 or QQ limp UTG? Doubt it unless he was specifically planning to limp/re raise, but not likely in a 1/2 game. Also, when you raise, while standard, you're not repping a ton. Just so few hands that raise a rainbow/relatively dry flop for value, So he may be calling you lighter as well, since the pot odds are good based on a lot of the equitable hands he has.

Turn is a 9, which completes some two pairs now, but relatively safe. Now you say you think a strong Q that limped, but again, initial analysis you wrote he's TAG. If that's your label, does he have KQ, AQ, QJ limped on a BTN straddle? Looks like a spew bluff or a ridiculously weird value line. I would be raising turn always like you did, as so many scary cards on the river that complete straights, flushes, other two pairs, counterfeited two pairs for you, etc.

Fold is an easy fold. I'm sorry, but a 1/2 player is not leading three times against two raises with bluffs. Given the action this is the very bottom of your call range, and you should have an easy fold versus a TAG player, right? You decide to call, which for the final time, goes against you're original analysis of your player. A decent TAG player isn't leading against raises without at least one check. Does he bluff at a high frequency? If no, just doesn't have many bluffs in his range and against an unknown I'd lean toward folding unless I have a tell.

But, I'm also probably folding pre flop. Need to be able to fold when you spike equity if want to play hands like this