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TPTK in squeezed pot TPTK in squeezed pot

10-05-2009 , 01:11 PM
Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SB: $204.35
BB: $200.00
UTG: $209.00
Hero (MP): $200.00
CO: $200.00
BTN: $209.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP with A Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, BTN calls $6, SB raises to $24, 1 fold, Hero calls $18, BTN calls $18

Flop: ($74.00) 3 A K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $36, SB calls $36, Hero calls $36

Turn: ($182.00) 8 (3 players)
SB bets $80, Hero calls $80, BTN folds

River: ($342.00) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $64.35 all in, Hero calls $60 all in

the squeezer was a TAG, the flatter a LAG with whom i have a history with

what do you think of my line?
10-05-2009 , 01:16 PM
wow their sizing sucks, i think you want to get it in on the turn rather than call 60 on any river, if you want to continue, since you can't fold the river really, but you have more equity on the turn.

it really looks like small blind was slowplaying something, 2 pair or a set, (or didnt cbet a flush draw for some reason) so you also don't really have odds in the spot and should probably fold the turn. i actually don't think he's ever bluffing now that i think about it.

pre you could also 4 bet but calling is probably better because he squeezed pretty small.
10-05-2009 , 01:21 PM
ship turn
10-05-2009 , 01:22 PM
I don't like calling preflop reraises with hands like AQ but maybe it's good.

I would probably raise the flop because neither SB, nor Button shouldn't have AK or set.
As played, call's on the turn and river are good.
10-05-2009 , 01:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysu
wow their sizing sucks, i think you want to get it in on the turn rather than call 60 on any river, if you want to continue, since you can't fold the river really, but you have more equity on the turn.

it really looks like small blind was slowplaying something, 2 pair or a set, (or didnt cbet a flush draw for some reason) so you also don't really have odds in the spot and should probably fold the turn. i actually don't think he's ever bluffing now that i think about it.

pre you could also 4 bet but calling is probably better because he squeezed pretty small.
folding the turn is criminal with the nfd
10-05-2009 , 01:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Into2ndWind
folding the turn is criminal with the nfd
you're a criminal


what do you propose villain c/c's flop with and leads the turn? this is without giving him flush draws

obviously if he was going to bluff he would bet the flop, or check raise, and he can't be semi bluffing the A


Board: 3c As Kc 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.188% 23.70% 00.49% 146 3.00 { AcQh }
Hand 1: 75.812% 75.32% 00.49% 464 3.00 { KK+, AKs, A8s, A3s, AKo }
10-05-2009 , 01:30 PM
Seems like your flop play is a bit weird. Why do you not bet the flop? What range are you giving SB? With what hands is he squeezing then c/c? Seems like a set of Kings to me. I hate this spot as played.
10-05-2009 , 01:40 PM
jaysu i think your range is a bit too tight. you basically assigned him all the hands that are the nuts on the flop. if he sqeezes a3 he sqeezes all ax here so....
10-05-2009 , 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysu
you're a criminal


what do you propose villain c/c's flop with and leads the turn? this is without giving him flush draws

obviously if he was going to bluff he would bet the flop, or check raise, and he can't be semi bluffing the A


Board: 3c As Kc 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.188% 23.70% 00.49% 146 3.00 { AcQh }
Hand 1: 75.812% 75.32% 00.49% 464 3.00 { KK+, AKs, A8s, A3s, AKo }
i misread the action, didn't see he c/c lead there
10-05-2009 , 01:44 PM
what about once btn bets and sb calls jus squeezing allin on flop? theres quite a few bad turn cards and pots a nice size now for sure.
10-05-2009 , 01:48 PM
Can't understand why you don't bet on the flop once sb checks, unless you have a read that TAG villain is able to slowplay a monster in this way. If you were hoping in a bet of btn, I would think you should ship over his bet and the cold call given there are still some draws out there and you have a good enough hand to commit yourself to the pot.
10-05-2009 , 01:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by higher_energy
jaysu i think your range is a bit too tight. you basically assigned him all the hands that are the nuts on the flop. if he sqeezes a3 he sqeezes all ax here so....
LOL YES IT MAKES PURFECT CENTS FOR HIM TO LEAD THE A7o ON TEH TURNS
10-05-2009 , 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysu
LOL YES IT MAKES PURFECT CENTS FOR HIM TO LEAD THE A7o ON TEH TURNS
haha relax. tough month?

didnt see that villain ck/called flop and lead turn.
10-05-2009 , 03:28 PM
no, i am just a funny man

that is okay, i was just confused that 2 people did not read the hand

hopefully you understand the range i assigned him, basically that's without flushes as well (he could be check shoving flush draws, but then just took the very good odds and called, although this is rare), so basically you are drawing to 7-9 clean outs, with 2 pair/trips sometimes being good and sometimes not.

so even without the pokerstove, if you are calling the turn its kind of a gamble, and you should actually be folding the river since we know we are behind on the turn, but no one ever folds the river here, which is why if you want to gamble then shove the turn.

but i really believe its a fold without some unshared reads
10-05-2009 , 03:36 PM
looking at the hand I say I should fold the turn... but usually when im playing i usually just ship turn cause i got the nut drrraww. Really think the turn is a fold though
10-05-2009 , 03:38 PM
What about 4bet preflop?
10-05-2009 , 03:40 PM
he can def have AQ w/ the Q of clubs or AJ w/ the J of clubs. doesn't make that much sense to lead those on the turn but it doesn't really make that much sense to lead that size w/ anything. i think calling is better because we give BTN odds to call w/ some random pair + club which we crush and just like we are never folding any rivers, neither is SB.
10-05-2009 , 05:43 PM
i raise the flop and get it in.
10-05-2009 , 05:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blah-blah-blah
he can def have AQ w/ the Q of clubs or AJ w/ the J of clubs. doesn't make that much sense to lead those on the turn but it doesn't really make that much sense to lead that size w/ anything. i think calling is better because we give BTN odds to call w/ some random pair + club which we crush and just like we are never folding any rivers, neither is SB.
I don't really think so, I think that someone with top pair and a weak flush draw is way more likely to check call the turn again rather than commit themselves and get shoved on, but that is just my opinion. Also such a weak hand would likely not give free cards on the flop.
10-05-2009 , 05:51 PM
preflop is not good imo
10-05-2009 , 06:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysu
I don't really think so, I think that someone with top pair and a weak flush draw is way more likely to check call the turn again rather than commit themselves and get shoved on, but that is just my opinion. Also such a weak hand would likely not give free cards on the flop.
yea i def agree it doesn't make much sense but if he's gonna take this weird line i figure he could do it w/ weird stuff too. i disagree that AQ/AJ should bet the flop tho.
10-05-2009 , 06:12 PM
well maybe they don't have to bet the flop, but they certainly shouldn't be checking the majority of the time. if they are, then it might be a bad squeeze preflop? perhaps not?
10-05-2009 , 06:26 PM
i really really hate the preflop call
10-05-2009 , 06:26 PM
I think i also fold the turn, c/c flop donklead from tag in a sqzed pot as ir seems nutsy to me. And i prob bet the flop mysellf here, dont wanna give freecards in that spot...

Also i might 4bet preflop, if the tag had a high sqz %
10-05-2009 , 06:38 PM
You guys fold AQ to a 3bet? Really?

      
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