you see, flu codes... 11062, 11061, 11063, 10257, 10258
pneumonia is similar, so if for example 1,700 people die from the flu
it is easy for the CDC to say 36,000 die from the flu every year with a change of code

I know. That's why I raised some questions about the splitting of Influenza / Pneumonia + Influenza. I don't really have time to poke through all of the various codes today, so I was hoping you knew what the J-whatever codes meant, especially since it looks at first glance like they're shifting things I'd call flu over into the pneumonia bin.

or the other way around, which is what looks like might be happening in the 2001 stats you quoted.

Miller got the statistics for the chart from International Mortality Statistics (1981) by Michael Alderson.

I appreciate the objective viewpoint, it does seem this has been going on for some time, certainly not just 2001. Don't want to go all out here, some people don't like it when someone takes the thread over I will let this marinate.

It's a review of computational methods for the design of inhibitors for a specific group of epigenetic targets. Lots of docking, lots of MD's...it's fun stuff.

Seriously? Who are you and what do you study IRL (PM me if you don't want to post it here)? I spent most of my graduate career working on developing computational methods for structure-based drug design.

P.S. cite my papers, yo!

About to finish my first week of p90x. It's been really intesnse but I've enjoyed it a lot so far. The Pylometrics and Yoga nearly killed me and I pray to god I get better at those. It's weird though I've been a ton LESS hungry the last few days even though my activity level has been ramped up like 1000% due to the program. Maybe it's because I'm having so much protein in my diet? I dunno, regardless I feel better overall and I'm really excited about the program. Thanks you guys for recommending it to me.

You know what else is intense? Camping.

I'm at an all you can eat sushi place, time to protein load!

I skipped phase I in the nutrition guide because I was seriously bonking during the workouts and pretty much comatose in the evening. Phase II was perfect for me and I used it all the way till the last 30 days when I went to Phase III.

If states are reporting aggregate influenza hospitalizations and deaths, how will you tell what percentage of cases is due to 2009 H1N1 and what percentage is due seasonal influenza viruses?

Due to CDC’s new case definitions, there will be no definitive way to differentiate between hospitalizations and deaths due to seasonal influenza versus those due to 2009 H1N1 influenza from aggregate reporting. And some deaths that are not due to influenza specifically will be included. However, information on the proportion of influenza viruses that are 2009 H1N1 versus seasonal influenza will continue to be reported in FluView from the virologic surveillance system. (For example, as of August 29, 2009, 97% of all subtyped influenza A viruses being reported to CDC were 2009 H1N1 viruses.)

How accurate a representation are these numbers?

Laboratory-confirmed data is thought to be an underestimation of the true number of cases because most people will not be tested for influenza. However, influenza and pneumonia syndrome hospitalizations and deaths may be an overestimate of actual number of flu-related hospitalizations and deaths because that diagnostic category includes other illnesses.

from the CDC 9/11/09

for Poincaraux http://webapp.cdc.gov/ords/norms-icd.html
you can identify the codes (J-10) and more, but this does not shed light on the statistics exactly.

The elderly are the group hardest hit by pneumonia each year. In 2002 close to 65,000 people died from pneumonia, 90 percent of those deaths were in those 65 years or older. Also at high risk are post-operative patients, people with chronic illnesses such as lung disease, and those living in a nursing home or other chronic care facility.

The flu is not scary. It is commonplace.

My most depressing moment during my p90x program was getting to the first rest week, looking at the schedule and realizing I had to do Yoga TWICE. WTF??? I nearly cried.

Thanks for the link!

My understanding, and I don't have the time to really look into it today, is that (1) the flu is not scary for most parts of the population, but can be quite devastating to high-risk groups (2) the flu makes you much more susceptible to other infections, e.g. pneumonia. Thus, while it's commonplace, it's certainly scarier than e.g. the common cold, but less scary than e.g. meningitis.

I wholeheartedly agree with these two points

*side note: watching CDC press conference from 11/3/09 now...
"there's almost no seasonal flu right now" Director Dr. Thomas R. Frieden.
which is BS, I know of many people falsely diagnosed with H1N1 over the phone (yes by a doctor, yes in the US), who had seasonal flu and did not test positive for "swine flu." If you count the lies, they add up quick at this type of press conference...lol

I came.

wait what? You've gotta be ****** kidding me...ugh

MMR-



You don't get to ruin another thread over your stupid bull****.

There is a very interesting book called "How to Lie with Statistics" which talks a lot about making charts say whatever the hell you want them to regardless of where you get the numbers.

Another shooting spree... what the **** is wrong with people?

"Nothing happens quite by chance. It's a question of accretion of information and experience." Jonas Salk

aww Ikes is butt hurt again... poor fella, can't string together a valid argument to save his tanned indestructible Norris hide.

"I'm done forealz" he said... after he posted a link from a doctor making my point for me.

Poin and the new guy:
Even though you guys seem to have a proper discussion, this does not seem the place for it. Especially not since one of you never posts in this thread...

And to whoever suggested that going vegan is most healthy: I have a mate who is a vegetarian and he has to take some supplemental pills to stay healthy because meat just has some vitamins etc that people need.

Who are you?

Being vegan for health reasons is dumb. If you don't like the idea of slaughtering tasty cows then sure do your thing, but chickens and cows and piggies are healthy num nums.

Yeah, agreed.

But this is the place for pictures of cute daughters!!!!!!!!!

was talking about it with co-worker. is it because most of us live in U.S. and we just aren't aware of these types of occurences in other countries, but it seems like shootings dont really happen elsewhere and even if they do, not as often and not as brutal.

was born/lived outside u.s. for 14 years and never heard of anything like shootings here. could be ignorance, but in any case....what it is it about u.s. that makes people do this?

mrmusic who the hell are you? you done trolling?