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03-14-2010 , 08:04 AM

#26

Ramdon

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,681

Quote:

Originally Posted by Say Wuut

Please help me there Im having lots of trouble with those spots. Would you play differently w TT? AQ, AJo?

Well, without reads i would be cautious. Alot of fish only raise things like QQ+/AK which means it sux calling with any of those hands.

If you're site has alot of regs and alot of tables and he has a good chance of being a reg that you just havent encountered before, then i would call with TT/AQ/AJs

If they are probably fish when you dont have info on them, then fold those hands

If the limit you are playing is higher, then err on the side of calling those.

If you are unsure whether or not to call, then err on the side of folding those (exception might be AQs).

(probably worth reading that last one again)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Say Wuut

Now the other question, lets say we call and Btn folds.
Pot is 31$
Flop: Qd 4h 2s
BB makes large CB of 25.5
Hero??

Most of the time Id be inclined to fold but then I hate that I feel I was set mining w the wrong odds PF when I call his squeeze.

As I said, please pretend he is a total unknown, not much reads

I would assume that unknowns will cbet and give up with AK/AJ type hands until i have a read otherwise, so i would call and try to get to showdown (ie check behind turn if he checks) or fold if he bets again. Obviously once you have reads everything can change

03-14-2010 , 09:12 AM

#27

GGP

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 185

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dire

IMO, with 99 and no real reads fold >>>>>>>>>> shove >>>>> call. And 4-betting to 33 or whatever is a few million >'s worse than call.

[x] On the mark advice

03-14-2010 , 12:57 PM

#28

LucKeeRiceBalls

adept

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 908

Quote:

Originally Posted by LucKeeRiceBalls

for people who like to call can you answer 2nd part of OP on post flop action?

bump

03-14-2010 , 04:22 PM

#29

LucKeeRiceBalls

adept

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 908

Quote:

Originally Posted by LucKeeRiceBalls

for people who like to call can you answer 2nd part of OP on post flop action?

sigh

03-15-2010 , 04:18 PM

#30

LucKeeRiceBalls

adept

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 908

Quote:

Originally Posted by LucKeeRiceBalls

for people who like to call can you answer 2nd part of OP on post flop action?

dump

03-15-2010 , 04:26 PM

#31

riske

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Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,493

so people basically assume they're gonna play worse than an unknown opponent when they have position and a good hand?

03-15-2010 , 04:46 PM

#32

Say Wuut

centurion

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 193

I feel folding is out of the question, but as I said, playing the flop is tricky and tough.
I ran some math by myself, and found that even when I didnt like it at first, shoving PF is EV+. But Im not sure if I feel its better than calling.
As Luckee has bumped and dumped and rebumped this, Im also interested in the aproach of the hand once we call.
Thinking about it I think the best line on this kind of board might be calling PF and shoving most turns after his CBet. Why? On this board villain will be cbetting everything, rockets, TT, air. If we shove villain probly folds TT-JJ, AK, air, and calls only w a QQ, KK, AA, AQ, and who knows KQ JQs type of hands. This way, we gain extra value from his CBet; and if stacked, the result probly wouldve been the same had we shoved PF.
Calling Im not sure as we might be barreled, as if I call its w the intention of folding to any bet on the turn. Also, there are plenty of scarecards that against his sorta wide range might hit.
Glad if you can elaborate more

03-15-2010 , 09:17 PM

#33

LucKeeRiceBalls

adept

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 908

Quote:

Originally Posted by Say Wuut

I feel folding is out of the question, but as I said, playing the flop is tricky and tough.
I ran some math by myself, and found that even when I didnt like it at first, shoving PF is EV+. But Im not sure if I feel its better than calling.
As Luckee has bumped and dumped and rebumped this, Im also interested in the aproach of the hand once we call.
Thinking about it I think the best line on this kind of board might be calling PF and shoving most turns after his CBet. Why? On this board villain will be cbetting everything, rockets, TT, air. If we shove villain probly folds TT-JJ, AK, air, and calls only w a QQ, KK, AA, AQ, and who knows KQ JQs type of hands. This way, we gain extra value from his CBet; and if stacked, the result probly wouldve been the same had we shoved PF.
Calling Im not sure as we might be barreled, as if I call its w the intention of folding to any bet on the turn. Also, there are plenty of scarecards that against his sorta wide range might hit.
Glad if you can elaborate more

side not when did the 'turn' become the "flop'?

03-16-2010 , 08:57 AM

#34

GGP

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 185

Quote:

Originally Posted by Say Wuut

NL 100 6 handed 100 BB effective stacks and all opponents are unknown. Im saying this because with reads its obviously much easier, like if the squeezer is 12/8 its an easy fold and if he is a 28/24 its an easy shove.

Hero is on the CO w 9h9d

2 folds
Hero raises to 3.5
Btn calls
SB folds
BB raises to 14
Hero???

Please help me there Im having lots of trouble with those spots. Would you play differently w TT? AQ, AJo?

Now the other question, lets say we call and Btn folds.
Pot is 31$
Flop: Qd 4h 2s
BB makes large CB of 25.5
Hero??

If I do elect to call here and take this flop, I'm now playing a guessing game as to whether I have the best hand or not. I'm inclined to just give it up. Simply put it's just too difficult of a spot.

03-16-2010 , 09:55 AM

#35

Say Wuut

centurion

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 193

Quote:

Originally Posted by LucKeeRiceBalls

side not when did the 'turn' become the "flop'?

yeah my bad, read flop there

03-16-2010 , 11:35 AM

#36

bangarang3

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 139

Call PF and call flop, curse self when he bombs any non 9 turn

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