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So i induced this? So i induced this?

02-13-2009 , 08:07 AM
Villan is 18/16/4 - super aggro for a nit. 17% cr turn. large sample.

Party Poker $200 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 37623
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SB: $98.00
BB: $383.15
UTG: $214.60
CO: $214.25
Hero (BTN): $251.90

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with 4 A
1 fold, CO raises to $6, Hero calls $6, 1 fold, BB calls $4

Flop: ($19.00) T 7 A (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $13, Hero calls $13, BB folds

Turn: ($45.00) Q (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $10, CO raises to $47, Hero calls $37

River: ($139.00) 2 (2 players)
CO bets $148.25 all in, Hero ?
02-13-2009 , 08:14 AM
I don't call A4s because I can't soul read yet which is what you have to do with this kind of hand imo. I bet turn for reasonable amount and c/f river I GUESS.
02-13-2009 , 09:44 AM
wtf fold turn
02-13-2009 , 09:47 AM
all you beat on turn is a bluff, just fold. i think its ok pre, its a good hand to make life hard for vilain when you are in opsition
02-13-2009 , 09:59 AM
its a perfect hand pre to 3bet IP, but calling... not really.
02-13-2009 , 10:33 AM
calling ip here is totally fine, i would check back the turn and bet river for value if checked to again.
02-13-2009 , 10:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by klink10k
calling ip here is totally fine, i would check back the turn and bet river for value if checked to again.
Can you please explain why is it totally fine besides that nits are pretty outplayable IP?
02-13-2009 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JimmyVulmer
its a perfect hand pre to 3bet IP, but calling... not really.
both are +ev and i will mix it up and vary it depending on villans calling 3bet freq / 4bet freq.
02-13-2009 , 11:05 AM
I dont really like these inducers in general, but i think if you do do them with marginal made hands you should wait as many streets as possible (eg river) so that their range is as clearly defined as air as possible.
02-13-2009 , 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyVulmer
Can you please explain why is it totally fine besides that nits are pretty outplayable IP?
wat?

you have the nut flush draw in position. don't need to bloof.
02-13-2009 , 11:12 AM
oh im on rsxfags sn, lol
02-13-2009 , 11:14 AM
Folding on turn for sure
02-13-2009 , 11:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyVulmer
Can you please explain why is it totally fine besides that nits are pretty outplayable IP?
1. Position
2. Value of hand
3. Position
4. Encouragement for blinds to come along (see #2)
5. Position

That said, I like 3betting better
02-13-2009 , 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyVulmer
Can you please explain why is it totally fine besides that nits are pretty outplayable IP?
you have the answer, but you dismiss it so quickly
02-13-2009 , 05:24 PM
whats the reasoning for the 10 on the turn? thin value from KK?? I mean you know he likes to checkraise turn and you don't have a hand that really wants to be checkraised so why are you giving him an opportunity to checkraise?
02-13-2009 , 05:43 PM
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i would check back the turn and bet river for value if checked to again.
+1
I don't see much reason to bet turn here

Fold to raise o.O
02-13-2009 , 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by klink10k
calling ip here is totally fine, i would check back the turn and bet river for value if checked to again.
+infinities. As played I dunno why you bet so small on the turn. If I bet that small on the turn, its because villain is azn (south korean) and I want him to spaz out and do this. So I guess I call river as played, but that said I think your turn sizing is the worst thing ever w/ your notes on villain. Also, assuming the villain is semi sane (not South Korean, Italian, French, hell most of West Europe) you are letting him own you a lot because he rarely bluffs the river.
02-13-2009 , 06:43 PM
I still don't get it why is it good to flat A4s ip on the button. I never do it. You are playing basically with one card. Of course you can outplay the nit but there is a risk of getting squeezed + flopping the NFD in a 3bet pot is also very good just as in a single raised pot. I just think 3betting is much more optimal.
02-13-2009 , 06:56 PM
I think it is debatable whether it is better to 3bet or call there (I mainly 3bet myself), but I don't think there is an argument that it isn't bad to just call. Depending on the villains pre flop tendencies and the blinds squeeze tendencies, it is sometimes better. I'd rather call than get 4bet by a tag who 4bets everything but plays horribly when we get to postflop. You can float, raise ip, and abuse the tag a lot more when there is room to maneuver w/ deeper stacks.
02-13-2009 , 07:00 PM
its fine to just call preflop as maybe you just 3 bet the villain a few hands earlier and you don't want to be 4 bet played back at here. 3 betting A4s is not bad but I think keeping a 50/50 ratio of calling /3betting is better. Also with a strong drawing hand like A4s, you don't mind having callers after you and with multiway pots, preflop raiser's hands are much more defined.
02-13-2009 , 07:37 PM
Well I know a lot of people don't bother to hand read since standard lines vs unknowns works, but this is really FOS vs an aggro tag/nit. Seems like he has to have KXdd/JXdd/7Xdd here and thought he had more fold equity vs an A by crT instead of 2 barreling (which is probably right)... I can't think of anything else. Maybe your bet sizing did it and he had absolutely nothing, but he could have been planning to do it regardless too. I don't see him having the nuts here ever in any case, so obviously have to call the river if you called the turn.

Really curious what he had now :|
02-13-2009 , 07:42 PM
actually if I called the turn checkraise I would also call the river as I do agree that his line looks really FOS.

Though I think I just fold the flop fairly often too.
02-13-2009 , 08:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyVulmer
its a perfect hand pre to 3bet IP, but calling... not really.
u have these reversed
02-13-2009 , 08:44 PM
I think nit is c/r for value a lot here on that board texture, so I don't like it either.
02-16-2009 , 03:14 AM
Yea... I wouldve checked behind on the turn to control the potsize as is now you have a pot out of control in which you have no clue wethor you are good or not. I think as is you have to throw it away, he has you beat here more often than not. You should have folded to his reraise on the turn or checked behind and called a small river bet to get to showdown.

      
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