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11-28-2007 , 10:21 PM

BGnight

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 10,174

Villian is unknown but probably not good due to stack size
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saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($121.55)
Hero ($199.25)
BB ($193.85)
UTG ($43.95)
MP ($79.35)
CO ($199)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

, J

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UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, 1 fold, Button raises to $8, Hero raises to $30, 1 fold, UTG folds, MP folds, Button calls $22.

Flop: ($66) 8

, 3

, K

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $14, Hero raises to $98

I really hated betting and getting shoved on cuz were pretty much pot commited so I though a c/rai might look fishy and get called by draws and smaller pairs, but I really dunno.

11-28-2007 , 10:50 PM

ElBandito

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 32

I think this is a weak king or better more often than a flush draw, bluff, or a lower pair, so I would fold. You'll be folding the best hand sometimes- that's why I hate JJ. Depending on my mood, I will often just call with JJ when someone has position on me and raises like this- because I know I'll have to fold if villain is aggressive and there is an overcard on the board. *shrug* maybe I'm missing out on some EV, but I try to play them for set value only when I'm out of position and the pot's been open and raised. I'm sure everyone will call me a nit.

11-28-2007 , 10:53 PM

BGnight

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Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 10,174

I was hoping for a fold or push by him pf. I really didn't want him to call. I was planning on getting it in on most flops and those included most 1 overcard flops too.

11-28-2007 , 10:56 PM

Noam Chomsky

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,482

if you're willing to go with the hand, why not just c/c all the way down then? I think I'd rather that or open shove than c/r all in I think but I hate this spot too.

11-28-2007 , 11:02 PM

BGnight

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Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 10,174

Quote:

if you're willing to go with the hand, why not just c/c all the way down then? I think I'd rather that or open shove than c/r all in I think but I hate this spot too.

I really don't want to see more overcards and just wanna get my $ in now. Just not sure of best line. You think openshove gets called lighter than c/raising?

11-28-2007 , 11:08 PM

Noam Chomsky

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,482

Seems like he calls an open shove lighter than he bets and calls yes.

meh, I dunno. I hate this spot.

11-28-2007 , 11:12 PM

Readzie

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 631

2 pieces of advice, 3 bet less preflop. about 26 because of stack sizes.

if the guy is cold calling 25% of his stack, hes gotta mean business. With that in mind.. proceed with great caution.

Just calling preflop isnt so bad either vs an unknown, easier to 3 bet jacks with position and you still have the UTG limper to worry about.

11-28-2007 , 11:18 PM

BGnight

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I'm not sold on 3betting less. I'd think w/ a stack this size more is better cuz it makes postflop decisions easier OOP

11-28-2007 , 11:30 PM

Sorcerer808

adept

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,116

His small bet would convince me I'm good a fair % of the time here, I like how you played it. OTOH, he's gonna check behind a lot and a heart on the turn would put you in an even tougher spot.

What dyou think of a small stupid-looking bet to induce a shove?

11-28-2007 , 11:50 PM

#10

jk3a

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,304

very good

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