UTG:22-AA,56s-QJs,AJ-AK,KQ KJ,A2-A5s

MP:UTG range+KJ,KTs QTs ; 3betting:AA-QQ

CO:MP range +QJo,97s-J9s,K7s-K9s,A2-A5+A8-AT. ;
3betting: JJ+ AK A2-A5s 8Ts 79s J9s

BTN:CO range+all Ax,K2s-K6s,K5-KTo,Q5s-Q9s,J7s-J8s,T6s-T7s,Q7o+,78-TJ
3betting:JJ+ A2-A5s,K5s-K9s,AKo AQ,T8s 9Js QTs

SB-Almost same range like BTN

BB-3betting: BTN 3Brange-T8s 9Js QTs

Are this ranges are good opening ranges in vacuum in 6 max?Should I 3bet more?How should 4 bet range look like?

P.S.Obv 3bet range are not static it changes which postions initial raise coming from.

Any advice comments will be highly appreciated

UTG a little loose (KJo, A2s-A5s are definitely losing hands), and SB wayyyy too loose. Any good BB is going to punish you bu defending/3-betting wide and using his position.

Rest is fine.

A2-A5s are not necessarily losing UTG.

Ranges for 3b suck bad and should depend heavily on position of PFR.

Playing tight for starters is a very good guideline, can't go wrong with it!!!

Open more when you have a big fish on the table, or when you feel like your skill level allows it.

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Makes sens about SB not sure if KJ A2-A5s are losing hands


I agree that 3bet should depend on position of PFR,so if for example UTG open I would 3 bet more or less same range as MP 3B range,or if MP open would use CO range ect. if I m IP if OOP I would stick to 3bet only for value all preflop opening raises except BTN
Can you explain why they suck and in what why they should be changed ?

Yeah 3-bet ranges are bad. And unless you play against a table of fish and weak players, KJo/A2s-A5s are generally losing hands.

All of the ranges are way off. Good luck playing K5o and 87o from the button. As well as 22 utg. Also, A2-A5o from co? Haha.

It's hard to read, I'm just going to assume if you don't list 's' or 'o' it means both suited and offsuit, and I'll assume the 3bet ranges are vs the player to your immediate right.

UTG, 15.23%, KJo is probably too loose, you could include the rest of suited broadway, and you have too many low cards imo, low suited connectors and 55-22 and A5s-A2s. The low pocket pairs are borderline, Axs will likely need to be in your 4bet bluff range to be +EV.

MP, 15.84%, if I'm reading this right your MP range only adds KTs and QTs, so 8 combos...? 3bet range has no bluffs, QQ is a call, AKs call or 3bet.

CO, 25.79%, all the low Axo are going to be bad, there's about 60-72 combos of Axo that could be replaced with much more playable suited cards or unsuited broadway. 3bet range is a mess, ~40% should be for value including 5bet bluffs, yours is ~60% (~65% if one of those Axs is a 5bet bluff).

BTN, 45.10%, what is going on, heavily weighted to bad unsuited cards. 3bet situation is the same as CO, and QTs imo is a questionable hand to include.

SB, don't mind mirroring your BTN range so long as your defending well.

Good analysis!

Now I downloaded upswing open ranges chart or whatever and my a little bit off not that much imo

UTG:A2s+,55+,KQs-K9s,QJs-Q9s,J9s-JTs,AJo+KQo

MP:UTG+44,KJo QJo ATo,97s 56s

CO:MP+K8s Q8s J8s 86s 45s 22 33 KTo QJo JTo

BTN:K3s+A2s+Q5s+J6s+T6s+ 96s+85s+57s+46s+45s 34s
A2o+ K9o+ Q9o+9Jo+ 9T

So this ranges are probably better.

Tnx for advice and analysis.I have a few questions
Why ~40% should be for value of my 3betting range ?Do I really need 5bet bluff against unknown player? Can you give me some example of good 3 bet range in CO or some other position?Can you or somebody else recommend me some good book video or article on this topic

I'm speaking mostly from the contents of Applications of No-Limit Hold 'em, note that Matthew Janda says the preflop chart in the book is outdated, however the math in the preflop section is still accurate.

It's easier to work backwards. If villain raises to 3BB, you 3bet to 9BB, he 4bets to 22BB, he's risking 19BB to win a 13.5BB pot. His 4bet needs folds over ~60% of the time to immediately profit, that's where you get the 60/40 figure. If you fold your 3bet more or less than 40% it's exploitable. However that's only if you raise or fold, if you defend 3bets by also calling you have to consider postflop EV vs the worst hands in his 4betting range, so your overall 3betting and defending range will be wider.

BB/SB vs BTN is different again, you should be 3betting there more than anywhere, and if I'm reading your first post you're actually 3betting less there than BTN vs CO.

I should say, I'm not the best at explaining this, nor do I even pretend to have it mastered.

Do you suspect the field ever 4bets light, or put another way, have you ever 5bet all in and had someone fold?

Intersting but it looks to me like you simplify too much there is much more situations where V will call and when ppl 4bet against ukn most of them are very unbalanced and have much more value so you can fold.

And its not enough that they some times fold to 4BET bluff.Lets use your example he open I 3 bet he 4bet and then I 5bet risking 91bb to win 32,5 so I need 73% of folds.Or if I have on average 20% of equity when we gii I stil need a lot of folds 61%

You don't need folds that much. If you shove with A5s you have ~31% equity vs JJ+, AK.

EV when called = (201.5 x 0.31) - 91 = -28.5BB

(x)(32.5) + (1 - x)(-28.5) = 0
x = 0.467
46.7%

I get what are you saying your EV is little bit off we need about 49% of folds and if he call with JJ+AK that is about 3%of hands so for my 5 bet shove to work we need a player who 4 bets more then 6% of hands and if player is unk to me I wold assume most players dont do that.I guess this is good play on some higher stake games,but I dont play those so imo this is huge -EV play against low stakes players.But tnx for replay it that is kind of play can be useful in some situations just not against ukn

I don't know where you got 49% from, regardless filtering my database on RFI BTN and Active Player BTN (where we expect them to call off JJ+, AK) has a 4bet of ~6%, also required folds would be lower since 3bet/4bet sizes would be larger BTN vs SB/BB.