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09-05-2010 , 06:16 PM

makan

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OnGame - $2 NL (5 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $95.70
SB: $239.25
BB: $285.50
Hero (UTG): $530.20
CO: $191.80

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero has J

Hero raises to $7.00, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $5.00

Flop: ($15.00, 2 players) J

BB checks, Hero bets $13.00, BB raises to $30.00, Hero,

small sample only 25 hands but he seems to be fishy. villain 50/21 | AFq flop 5/7|

He c/mr me once, now he made almost insta c/r.

90$ or more?/call

09-05-2010 , 06:36 PM

Oliver Klozoff

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Hmmm, it's close. Were not that deep, and he's fishy, so getting it again is probably okay. Either raise flop, or call/c/r AI safe turns.

09-05-2010 , 07:00 PM

Gaszzzz

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i call

09-05-2010 , 07:00 PM

Into2ndWind

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getting it in here is a tragic mistake. the only play is to call.

09-05-2010 , 07:06 PM

shpanko

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call, what's the turn action?

09-05-2010 , 07:22 PM

Oliver Klozoff

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Into2ndWind

getting it in here is a tragic mistake. the only play is to call.

Really? Against a guy who looks fishy? Tragic?

09-05-2010 , 07:30 PM

Devilz

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Call and reevaluate on the turn.

09-05-2010 , 07:57 PM

holdme

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do we shove a blank turn?

09-05-2010 , 08:00 PM

crazyavin

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vs fishy is better to get it in here, as u've got 2TP and it's SOOO draw heavy.
For god sake?!! why we should call here?!
Axx Flush draw vs 50/21 kinda aggro fish W/AK u call this flop c/r?
I'd hate my life calling on this boards and folding to any sh*** turns when he can easily VB worse hands AS he's a FISH!

i'd make it 100-110 and shove any safe Turn!

09-05-2010 , 08:19 PM

#10

Klankster

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Def repopping flop. I don't see why a flop call is good unless all his bluffing range on flop is bluffing turn as well, and I really doubt that since half the deck is killing the action and also going to make it hard for us to continue happily. Not to mention we don't even know if he has much of a bluffing range or what that range even is, or if he just raises every time he has a piece of the flop since there's no showdown info for when he's raised before.

09-05-2010 , 10:40 PM

#11

CaptainJerry

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Quote:

Originally Posted by holdme

do we shove a blank turn?

Yeah we are going to shove it..

but since we are playing against a fish whos calling anyway i would try to get it in @ the flop

09-06-2010 , 04:45 AM

#12

shpanko

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Actually given villains fishyness I think 3 betting the flop is probably best.

09-06-2010 , 09:15 AM

#13

Into2ndWind

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver Klozoff

Really? Against a guy who looks fishy? Tragic?

extremely tragic, he probably has every combo of KT and T8 in his preflop range.

his sizing indicates a made hand and fishies don't usually raise J9 on this board.

also, you are 130 bb deep. which makes getting this in even worse.

i don't think he shows up with a combo draw really that often. he is soooooo soooo soooooo likely to have a straight here it's not even funny. of course he could have 99 as well... but you stacks are way too deep here to think about 3b'ing it calling it off. i promise you that's not going to be profitable.

09-06-2010 , 10:58 AM

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drenal

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get it in on the flop.. indeed he can have KT T8 but there are many draws that are likely to call your 4bet also so against that type of player ill try to put stacks on the middle asap.

09-06-2010 , 11:50 AM

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Into2ndWind

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Quote:

Originally Posted by drenal

get it in on the flop.. indeed he can have KT T8 but there are many draws that are likely to call your 4bet also so against that type of player ill try to put stacks on the middle asap.

fishes dont raise random frlush draws from 13 to 30 on this board

09-06-2010 , 11:51 AM

#16

orange

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i like calling and seeing a turn.

09-06-2010 , 12:04 PM

#17

321FoldIt

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I would just raise and look to get it in based on villain description. So many draws / action killing cards and we're ahead of some of his value range. When a fish snap checkraiseS, he's so unlikely folding and I wouldn't want to fold here either. That said, don't hate calling ether, I just prefer to get it in.

edit: fish raise random flush draws on me all the time at these stakes

09-06-2010 , 12:26 PM

#18

aggrocallerOOP

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We are barely deep if that.

get it in on the flop vs a aggrofish. They will get in worse, plus draws a fair amount.

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