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I wouldn't say it's exploitable. It's not like every time I open utg I'm just going ape**** bombs away. if anything it's exploitative of a couple of specific leaks that most regs at 100-200nl have.

The point is, if you are barreling under pairs on dry boards, then you are pretty much barreling your entire non made hand range. You effectively are saying that you don't have a giving up range on dry boards when opened UTG.

02-03-2015 , 07:36 AM

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shove for max value extraction..

QQs are out of his range as he would've 3b..

SHOOOOOOVE!

02-03-2015 , 07:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AguaPorFavor

QQs are out of his range as he would've 3b..

o'rly?

02-03-2015 , 09:51 AM

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Regarding double/triple barrel bluffing on dry boards: imo the key is utilizing blockers.

If it's a dry A, K, Q, J or T-high board, just barrel 3 streets with the corresponding blockers to villains TPTK range.

If it's a 9-high board: barrel Qx, Jx and Tx combos.

Its easy to end up bluffing too much on wet boards, but also to not bluff enough on dry boards.

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02-03-2015 , 09:59 AM

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Opening 33 UTG as standard is pretty optimistic at best imo.

Not sure what else you can do but shove the river.

02-03-2015 , 10:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirwanda

o'rly?

What's the point of flatting with QQs there?

02-03-2015 , 10:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AguaPorFavor

What's the point of flatting with QQs there?

Flatting with QQ vs UTG open is standard.

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02-03-2015 , 10:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Franchise804

Flatting with QQ vs UTG open is standard.

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u gotta be kidding me...

02-03-2015 , 11:07 AM

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BleetBleetImaSheep

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Super standard flat vs UTG

02-03-2015 , 11:08 AM

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ForeverLearning

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^ not isolating yourself vs too strong of a range

02-03-2015 , 11:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AguaPorFavor

What's the point of flatting with QQs there?

You could ask me the same about AA. I don't even have a 3bet range in these positions.

02-03-2015 , 11:21 AM

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^ really? You don't 3bet SB vs UTG?

02-03-2015 , 11:32 AM

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Nirwanda

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Yes I do, but we're discussing MP vs EP here.

02-03-2015 , 11:39 AM

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ForeverLearning

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Oh yeah, nevermind

02-05-2015 , 12:10 PM

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the real mg0698

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I have a pretty big DB and I'm + EV opening 22-77 UTG

As for the hand seems like a pretty easy bet/f Villian shouldn't really many FD's

02-05-2015 , 12:22 PM

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What about 22-44?

02-05-2015 , 12:40 PM

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I think it's fine to open any pp from ep until 2/4+ where you should be a bit more careful.

02-06-2015 , 12:18 AM

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the real mg0698

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirwanda

I think it's fine to open any pp from ep until 2/4+ where you should be a bit more careful.

Could be, most my DB is 50-200nl so I wouldn't know about 2/4+

02-06-2015 , 06:20 AM

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Shove river so your AK can get folds from Qx. 1/2 pot ur whole betting range on this specific runout is ok if you construct properly and add more values to your betting range, though not something I'd do after setting up a river pot shove.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AguaPorFavor

shove for max value extraction..

QQs are out of his range as he would've 3b..

SHOOOOOOVE!

Not even close...In fact I flat my whole range there. No decent reg 3bets QQ

As for opening small pps UTG personally I don't like it but probably +EV at lower stakes. Not sure. Can definitely have a 15% open w/o 22-44 as someone stated.

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you need to learn how to play your percieved opening range in addition to your actual hand

incorrect

02-06-2015 , 01:59 PM

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the real mg0698

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ClamChowder

QQ is a standard CC vs UTG? Why would you want someone w/ a 20% range see a free flop vs QQ ?

I'd argue most regs have a less then 20% range

02-06-2015 , 03:44 PM

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Lol 20%

02-06-2015 , 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the real mg0698

I'd argue most regs have a less then 20% range

This, you also need squeeze protection from the four guys left to act.

02-06-2015 , 06:26 PM

#49

nahh12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirwanda

This, you also need squeeze protection from the four guys left to act.

I think we already get a lot of squeeze protection from UTG's narrow range. I prefer to flat it because it instead of 3bet because it doesn't dominate their continuing range.

02-08-2015 , 10:10 PM

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^ this guy is up to something

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