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NL100 - trips at the river NL100 - trips at the river

11-30-2008 , 05:11 AM
Villain is unknown and there's no history nor any dynamic between us.

$100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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SB: $59.75
BB: $93.25
UTG: $52.65
Hero (CO): $113.90
BTN: $83.90

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with J Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9.00) A Q 8 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($9.00) Q (3 players)
SB bets $2.00, BB raises to $7, Hero calls $7, SB folds

River: ($25.00) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $23.00

I suppose this is just another standard spot that I haven't had much experience with. What sort of factors push you towards a call or fold here?

Bet speed; do you consider a fast bet from Villain to be strength or weakness? What if he runs his time bank down? What if he uses a "normal" amount of time?

Bet sizing; what's your threshold for calling/folding?

SB was a 44/26 fish that I only have a small sample on. Does SB being a nit, LAG, or unknown change anything?

Anything else? Are you just flipping a coin to make your decision here?
11-30-2008 , 06:10 AM
it think I would just flatcall.
villain could have KQ,88 or very bad played AQ
but maybe villain wants to bluf you out of the pot!
but I would 3bet the turn tbh
11-30-2008 , 07:00 AM
3bet the turn and get it in.

I would shove river, you are behind to KQ, that's it.
11-30-2008 , 07:09 AM
I was considering shoving the river but when I saw you're hesitating between calling and folding ... meh I'm maybe too spewy in that spot.
But I'm never folding.
11-30-2008 , 08:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodolphe
I was considering shoving the river but when I saw you're hesitating between calling and folding ... meh I'm maybe too spewy in that spot.
But I'm never folding.
maybe I'm just weak-tight

anyway I don't like shoving without at least a little bit of history or a better idea of what sort of ranges Villain will bet/fold or bet/call here.
11-30-2008 , 08:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by czling
maybe I'm just weak-tight

anyway I don't like shoving without at least a little bit of history or a better idea of what sort of ranges Villain will bet/fold or bet/call here.
you are doing it wrong, your hand is way too good to call or even fold here. you shove and adjust afterwards if his calling range is really nitty.
11-30-2008 , 08:43 AM
I bet flop and raise turn here ... I protect my hand with position and two check.
11-30-2008 , 09:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ian_95
I bet flop and raise turn here ... I protect my hand with position and two check.
I'm not sure betting the flop is a good idea. It's a standard WA/WB ...
But I do agree with you about raising the turn. There is a lot of value in raising there.
11-30-2008 , 09:56 AM
I think the best reason for a flop bet is that it is far easier to play the rest of the hand if we are called. Plus if they both fold it is fine too.
11-30-2008 , 11:01 AM
Making a bad play to make the decisions easier. Ok, then we can just fold pf
I'm kidding. Betting the flop could be fine I don't know, I just don't know why ...
11-30-2008 , 11:12 AM
Say we check flop and turn blanks, sb bets 2/3 pot, bb folds, now what do you do with that 2nd pair?
11-30-2008 , 11:17 AM
I call.
11-30-2008 , 11:40 AM
F cb T 3b(cAI) R AI

Hands that beat us on turn: AQ,KQ,88,Q8
SB is a lagtard: he would have raised AQ,88 --> KQ, Q8 is his beating range.
BB is nearly the same.

But they have both weaker Qs in their range and also As maybe even FD+pair on turn.
This is obviously a raising spot on turn since you are ahead of their range and they could overplay their noob hands on this kind of board. You can also add some kind of protection to the pro arguments cause of the fact that there are some draws and gutshots (i know pretty unlikely) ...

I agree with Rodolphes arguments.
11-30-2008 , 06:02 PM
i think i check this flop like always. Have good amount of showdown value and dont want to over represent your hand. Raise turn just like everyone else.

      
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