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01-02-2010 , 07:54 PM

easy game

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 184

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed)

Villain is running 26/19/.6 with a 3b of 14%, but only like 60 hands so essentially an unknown who seems to be 3bettting a lot.

Hero (UTG) ($197.50)
MP ($101)
CO ($129.20)
Button ($100)
SB ($50.50)
BB ($246.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q

, Q

Hero bets $3, MP raises to $8, 4 folds, Hero raises to $21, MP calls $13

Flop: ($43.50) J

, 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $28, MP calls $28

Turn: ($99.50) A

(2 players)
Hero?

01-02-2010 , 07:56 PM

Jtringer

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either bet here or bet river, doesnt really matter here since you have the Qc, he has no aces in his range and anything that beats you raises the flop.

01-02-2010 , 07:59 PM

Into2ndWind

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,683

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jtringer

either bet here or bet river, doesnt really matter here since you have the Qc, he has no aces in his range and anything that beats you raises the flop.

AJ.

01-02-2010 , 08:20 PM

elpsnot

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 559

Quote:

Originally Posted by Into2ndWind

AJ.

If he is flatting a 4-bet with AJ this villian is terrible.Hes most likely floating the flop with PP and JJ.This Ac is kind of a good card.He really cant have any A in his range now, unless he floated with AKo for some gay reason.You could almost check this turn as its a great card to induce villian to bluff off the rest of his stack.And if he does have an A you still got your flush draw equity.We wont be getting quite the pot odds, but this is a perfect bluff catcher I think considering thats the only move he can really make.

01-02-2010 , 08:48 PM

trip_kings12

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,694

Definitely beat the Ac on the turn because...
1) Ac is a scare card, and villain may fold
2) if villain calls, you have Qc to make club flush

Range for villain calling 4bet pf is TT JJ QQ and maybe KK

I don't think there are any other hands in this range that continue after the J44 flop. That being said, all of these hands besides TT have you beat at this point in time (well, QQ is chop atm). Therefore, the Ac on the turn is definitely the best card in the deck to come out.

Advice: fire hard on turn with QxQc

01-02-2010 , 08:53 PM

CCM

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 6,528

c/f is only thing you can do here I feel

01-02-2010 , 08:53 PM

Jtringer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by trip_kings12

you have some serious contradictory issues going on there lol

01-02-2010 , 09:51 PM

deathduck

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,357

I like c/f because..

What do we beat that is calling the flop? TT seems like wishful thinking, maybe we're even lucky enough for him to float AK...

But once the Ac hits we're hurting vs. his range. Maybe a bluff shove here is ok because we have the FD but the safer route is c/f.

01-02-2010 , 10:06 PM

dontdoit

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 563

did anyone here notice we already have half of villains stack in? this hand would play a million times easier with a bigger flop bet.
as played, what are we ******ed? theres no way we can fold with our hand. we are getting 3-1 with FH outs, FD outs, and a decent chance of still having the best hand.

01-03-2010 , 01:40 AM

#10

Jigsaws

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Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,178

shove and hope he has a TT-55 w. a club

01-03-2010 , 01:51 AM

#11

MCHpow_pow

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can check/shove (basically c/c) or shove imo.

Tempted just to shove since we'll still be getting value from worse, and there aren't that many hands he can have that he'll decide to bluff with

01-03-2010 , 01:55 AM

#12

easy game

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 184

Quote:

Originally Posted by dontdoit

Ya, guess i should've bombed the flop like $36.
I'm kind of leaning toward the c/f line as played, but what are you thinking here c/c or shove turn?
I realize btw that the pot odds are really good, but what am i ahead of that he calls on the flop?

01-03-2010 , 01:58 AM

#13

Jamsym1

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 604

If he's 3 betting 14% then he will be defending to 4 bets pretty wide aswell.

You have him crushed here a lot of the time and even when your behind you have decent equity with your club draw and Q's to spike.

Basically im never folding here.

I think shove>check call>check fold

01-03-2010 , 04:31 AM

#14

easy game

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 184

Here's how it played out.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed)

Hero (UTG) ($197.50)
MP ($101)
CO ($129.20)
Button ($100)
SB ($50.50)
BB ($246.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q

, Q

Hero bets $3, MP raises to $8, 4 folds, Hero raises to $21, MP calls $13

Flop: ($43.50) J

, 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $28, MP calls $28

Turn: ($99.50) A

(2 players)

Spoiler:

01-03-2010 , 04:44 AM

#15

s7v0

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 20

well... this tells u y he calls the flop bet rite.. flush draw !!! raise higher on pre flop ...

01-03-2010 , 08:22 AM

#16

AnonyOne

adept

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,100

Quote:

Originally Posted by s7v0

well... this tells u y he calls the flop bet rite.. flush draw !!! raise higher on pre flop ...

If you mean the 4bet I think the sizing is fine, though I would raise to 4bb PF rather than 3.

01-03-2010 , 07:56 PM

#17

deathduck

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,357

looks like i was right, c/f ftw cookie pls (jk results oriented i know but I still liked C/F for the reasons I already said, cookie pls).

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