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01-31-2011 , 10:29 AM

BETMAN

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Villain looks like nit 13\11, 110 hands. 3bet or call against strong pfr if I don't know his fold to 3b? No fishes or squeezers after me.

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01-31-2011 , 10:49 AM

RLOG

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3 bet all day

01-31-2011 , 10:52 AM

Nirwanda

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I'd flat. Not because I'm afraid he has aces, but because I think a 13/11 will fold out a huge portion of his range if we 3bet.

01-31-2011 , 10:57 AM

Posiedon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirwanda

I'd flat. Not because I'm afraid he has aces, but because I think a 13/11 will fold out a huge portion of his range if we 3bet.

This.

Also i flat if he has high cb% or low f2cb% as i get one more bet out of the same range.If not then i just 3b.

01-31-2011 , 11:01 AM

RLOG

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I think flatting is a pretty big mistake. Just because he's a nit doesn't mean he's aware of his image. Plus nits are generally bad anyway.

The fact is a nit has raised utg and we have the second best hand in poker, we want the money in!

01-31-2011 , 11:04 AM

Jub.

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Yea I am happy to flat, we normally are going to get position so that is ok. If we squeezed it is cool for us as well.

01-31-2011 , 11:05 AM

Jub.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RLOG

Yea actually this!

01-31-2011 , 11:11 AM

BvL12

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lol @ Jub

01-31-2011 , 11:12 AM

BuddhaMonk187

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why wouldnt we 3bet?

01-31-2011 , 11:17 AM

#10

wishiewish

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because he has rockets

01-31-2011 , 11:32 AM

#11

Nirwanda

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Anything but folding is okay here, and tbh I think flat and 3bet are about the same EV in this spot.

01-31-2011 , 11:45 AM

#12

loosbastard

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A lot of nits have very low fold to 3b % because their opening range is just that tight. I would default to 3b unless you have a read/stats showing he folds a lot.

01-31-2011 , 12:38 PM

#13

SPSpewy

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Villain´s range is strong. This is a good reason to 3bet not flat.
Obv flat is okay but I prefer that line with more reads and history.

01-31-2011 , 01:34 PM

#14

Bilo321

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both ok, i like 3bet more

01-31-2011 , 01:42 PM

#15

Japetes Horseshoe

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I like a 3bet more... sure he is folding a lot of his range to a 3bet, but his opening range is also very tight, i dont know any nits who fold JJ/AK in this spot to one 3bet even if they are aware of there image...

Flatting is ok, for reasons staed by other guys, but I think if he's even half way smart and you're gonna be 3betting him a lot, but not with KK and AA, he's gonna adjust atleast slightly... postflop tendencies are also important obv... does he c-bet a lot, barrel a lot, c/f oop alot etc...?

01-31-2011 , 02:36 PM

#16

ieatmonkies

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There are still 3 other players in the hand to act. 3 bet.

01-31-2011 , 02:58 PM

#17

EVplusEV

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Well, if he has a high fold to 3bet i flat. And otherwise... i flat

they're not getting it in with <KK (maaybeeee AK if they're realy bad) or maybe if you have an extreme crazy image.
Maybe he calls and wants to see a flop and gives up or potcontrols evrything.

And if you flat you can get stacks in vs his QQ's or JJ's on paired boards with flushes i dno.

Both lines fine obv.

01-31-2011 , 03:07 PM

#18

ieatmonkies

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EVplusEV

Well, if he has a high fold to 3bet i flat. And otherwise... i flat

I feel like there is a significant range that we have dominated that is coming along to the 3bet. The 3-bet is not meant to get it in preflop; it's meant to put more money into the pot when we are ahead against an opponent who typically plays his hand similarly in or out of position (i.e. taking away the lead is not a big deal).

01-31-2011 , 03:13 PM

#19

Cash Beast Ezra

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EVplusEV

they're not getting it in with <KK (maaybeeee AK if they're realy bad) or maybe if you have an extreme crazy image.

From my experience, nits actually tend to be the kind of players most likely to overplay hands pre-flop and always auto-4 bet AK/QQ in pretty much any situation: i.e, they're playing a several tables and have a "standard" auto stack off range (typically QQ+/AK) that they almost never deviate from one way or another.

I like 3 betting here.

01-31-2011 , 03:49 PM

#20

Obey the Odds

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@ nl 100, just 3 bet it. we're not playing nl1k

01-31-2011 , 04:31 PM

#21

BETMAN

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The only thing I am afraid of (by 3betting) is to knockout TT, JJ maybe AQ. So I can loose value from this hands or weaker. And I have no reliable reasons to expect him overplaying pre often (but I expect him overplaying top pair\overpair postflop because it is a common mistake). That's why I like flat more, than 3bet.

"does he c-bet a lot, barrel a lot, c/f oop alot etc...?"
Have no any reliable postflop stats.
No image.

01-31-2011 , 04:31 PM

#22

BuddhaMonk187

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lol why shouldnt we be 3betting KK at NL1k?

01-31-2011 , 04:58 PM

#23

chkshove

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i dont mind 3b or flatting depending who is in the blinds

01-31-2011 , 06:02 PM

#24

Obey the Odds

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BuddhaMonk187

lol why shouldnt we be 3betting KK at NL1k?

b/c @ nl1k, things like balance, hand reading, and leveling come into play. in nl100, not TOO much.

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