This hand is against a fish who I haven't played against in a while. His stats used to be 24/8 but for this session he was pretty active playing like 40/19. I don't particularly like my sizing in this hand so that could be fixed. I was planning on small barrels and a shove on the river but because the board was so wet I should of bet like pot and shove turn I guess. But as played, what am I suppose to do when I check the turn and our villain makes a pretty committing looking bet, just ch/fold, ch/c or bet/fold? But if he just flats the turn to we have to check call a blank on river? That jack hits his range pretty hard so do we just make an exploitable fold here?

id of 3bet to like $12~

id bet the turn myself again like $22~, and prob a blocker bet or c-c on the river depending on card.

tough spot for sure. The Jack def smashes his range but then that said, its a fairly small part of his range. and theres only 2 jacks left in the deck. I might be more worried about 77 or 88 then i would be about a lone jack. He also has 99, TT, KQs, AQ, etc.

The problem now, i think, becomes the fact that youve kind of turned your hand face up on the turn with a check. if villain is a thinking player, he'll see a pre flop 3 bet into two players out of position... Which screams strength. About a 1/2 pot bet on the flop (probably could have made it a little bigger) ...then check the turn once the board pairs. Looks to me like a premium pair thats slowing down because of a paired face card.

that said, i think i would bet the turn and chec/call river as well. if youre beat then youre beat, but youll get the chance to take a good not on him.

sizing looks good but a little bigger cant hurt too much since villain is min-raising, not full stacked and probably a fish

we cant really fold imo since the flop SPR is ~4.

if we c/c the turn we have to c/c the river as well because no other line makes sense imo.

that being said, betting the turn gets value from TT-99, QQ and we make villain pay to draw to a flush (of which we hold no blockers).

if we bet $23 on turn and get called we will have ~0.5 PSB left on river and should just shove on every card because we will get called by all of the hands which flatted our turn bet.

Thanks guys, yea I chose to check call both streets. I see now why I should of bet the turn instead of check calling as a standard tho, for multiple reasons. The villain was a thinking player but still a fish. He doesn't call down as lightly on turn and river as most fish but I've seen him bet when checked too which is why I thought it might be the optimal play. He ended up having QJo which was just very frustrating to see.

Oh by the way villain was the BTN not UTG.

I would have thought to check/call but it depends a lot on feel.

Sizing your bet bigger on the flop might have helped define villain's range.

And on a flop like that, shoving can sometime prove profitable.

say what now?

I'd probably make it 16$ otf and the turn is definitely a bet, we dont want him checking behind with 99/TT or even 76s 98s T8s type hands in case he plays those preflop.

we bet turn 23$ and he shoves, call right?

The only problem with the bet/call line is that I don't see what value hands we beat. So our KK is only a bluff catcher and I know this villain is incapable of that kind of play. He might bet when checked to but never come over the top in a polarizing situation. So maybe we can bet 20 and fold to a shove. I'm not saying this should be the standard play but against this particular villain it might be the way to go. If he just flats though, then well played because I'm going broke on most rivers.

I can confidently say we should never shove the flop.

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Would you say it's NEVER something that should be considered? And if so is it because he's never folding top pair? There wasn't a whole lot of pre flop action so his raise pre then a shove onbthe flop might look like ak or aq??

I agree with betting turn, think there's some rivers we can c/f however.
I fold if villain shoves over our bet on the turn

Are you referring to the turn or the flop?

You would open the action with a shove on the flop, like more than .1% (due to a misclick) of the time?

Well I wasn't really concerned with how often, but moreso why.

Because there is no part of my range I would do this with. I don't want to create a shoving range on the flop 100 bb deep. I would only shove if the villain had like at most 30 behind.

I think you play so weak on the turn, ,if the villain is a really thinking good player, he will reads your weak and allin in the river, can you call then ?

Yea I did call the all in on river because it wouldn't make sense to call turn and fold on a blank river. I chose this line to induce bluffs so he thinks I'm weak I have no problem with that. I thought he was more likely to bet if I check than he was to call down with a weaker hand.