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Old 01-28-2005, 01:44 AM   #26
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Re: My General Starting Hands (WARNING)

these are all preflop. no way postflop play is that easy.

RRP means you get all in if you can, RRF means that if you're facing an all in bet, you fold, but normal sized raises you reraise and if there is no raise, you raise.

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PS i've had a lot of success slowplaying AA/KK headsup on 50BB stacks. I wouldnt do this on prima, but on party i took two stacks letting people bluff or bet their top pair to the felt.
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Old 01-28-2005, 05:08 AM   #27
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Re: My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage

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Hands: 1400
That is a wopload of hands man.

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Old 01-28-2005, 10:02 AM   #28
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Re: My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage

Excellent post. Could you elaborate a bit on point # 8? You lost me a little with the 40<x<100 part. Is this supposed to be 40bb vs. 100bb maybe? I have a tendency to build a nice stack and then get passive giving back half my winnings before leaving. I'd really like some help on playing the big stack. Thanks again for an excellent post.
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Old 01-28-2005, 10:37 AM   #29
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Re: My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage

Fimbul,

Yeah, awesome post. I read every word of it. Great stuff. One question. How do you know they are bluffing on the river ? Seems to me if I knew you like to call all-ins on the river, you might just have a problem on your hands. I imagine you encountered some trouble from better players with this ? Or did you just steer clear of good players ? Am I being a jerk ? I know you are an excellent player but I have no idea when someone is bluffing.
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Old 01-28-2005, 07:01 PM   #30
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Re: My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage

Brilliant! Brilliant!! Brilliant!!!
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Old 01-29-2005, 05:02 PM   #31
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Re: My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage

Bump this insta-classic for anyone who missed it.

Absolute gold fim.
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Old 01-29-2005, 05:12 PM   #32
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Re: My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage

Don't play these games, but nicely done, man. Well written and well thought out.
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Old 01-29-2005, 06:19 PM   #33
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Re: My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage

This is the best post I have ever read. Thanks, fim.
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Old 02-19-2005, 01:38 AM   #34
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Re: My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage

Wanted to bump this thread because it is by far the best thing I have ever read to improve my game. Also, wanted to add another thought.

Not that I am presuming my advice is anywhere near as good as this (I am barely at a level to comprehend this stuff, let alone conceive and articulate it).

Anyway, I found it quite profitable at 25NL PP to bluff at particular scared cards on fourth street, especially in pots with weak-tight players (obviously). For example, in a pot that was raised preflop, the flop comes AT4, and another 4 falls on the turn, making a reasonable bet will take it down quite often. I would also think this is better done is raised pots for two reasons: (1) you are less likely to run into a 4; and (2) you may get looked up, so save jeopardizing your credibility for the bigger pots.

Other thoughts/criticisms are encouraged, especially from the more experienced players.
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Old 02-19-2005, 01:47 AM   #35
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Re: My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage

Good bump. I've seen waaay too many "Help, I'm starting at NL cash game" threads lately and this is a great outline for NL cash.
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Old 02-22-2005, 11:16 AM   #36
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Re: My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage

i was looking back thru old posts and i wanted to bring this back to the top since this is a great beginner post. nice job.
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Old 02-22-2005, 11:25 AM   #37
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thanks for convincing people to play like maniacs
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Old 02-23-2005, 01:28 PM   #38
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Re: My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage

Hey thatpfunk,
Are you saying you disagree with OP, hand charts, or???

Thanks,
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Old 02-23-2005, 02:36 PM   #39
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Re: My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage

Fim, truly first-class post. I would like to add that reading through the post, I found a grasp for a particular mode of thinking that needs to be applied to 6max NL games.

While the specifics may apply directly to small-stakes games, the method of thinking and the concepts are excellent for many levels of 6max NL.

I especially like the emphasis of blocking bets on the river, and buying the pot off of another drawer for a decent price. I think a huge part of 6max (and more short-handed) play at any level is getting a good price to buy pots; a huge portion of your profits can come from this simple strategy. It's also huge in the metagame; your opponents will not know how to read your small river bets (was he drawing? Does he have a pair? Is there a monster hiding in there? Geez, I better not try to bluff this one...).

As Doyle said in Super System, you won't BELIEVE all the times where your bet is just screaming for a call, and they'll fold.
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Old 02-23-2005, 06:48 PM   #40
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i didn't take the time to read through them, i was responding specifically to the vpip and pfr and funny wr/100.
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Old 02-27-2005, 12:20 PM   #41
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does everyone have more sex than me?
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Old 02-27-2005, 09:01 PM   #42
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Figure it never hurts to bump this thread. And I just got done with my first hour of following fim's 6 max starting hands guidelines. And the results were great (I know the sample size is too small) and surprising.

The surprising part: I had a tighter table image. I guess I wasn't the tightest player to begin with (30% VPIP & 12.6% PFR), but, even though my VPIP was higher (~40%), my table image was tighter because I was doing a lot of limping with speculative hands in late position and folding if someone bet on the flop. My theory is that no one noticed me doing this because it is pretty standard on Party.

As a result, I was able to steal more pots - either with semi-bluffs or when checked to on the Button. I saw the genius of the strategy visually when I put it into an Excel spreadsheet. Here it is:

[image]D:\Docs\Poker Resources\fim chart EP.bmp[/image]

Position is everything in NL hold 'em.

By the way, if anyone wants a copy of the complete spreadsheet PM me with your email address.
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Old 02-27-2005, 09:02 PM   #43
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Shoot the image didn't work. But anyway, it shows how ridiculously tight the strategy is from EP.
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Old 07-13-2005, 05:22 AM   #44
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Re: My General Starting Hands (WARNING)

Hi Fim,
just revisited this great post. I gather it was made for the Party 50BB in the "old days".

1) Would you change much of your starting hand play now with the 100BB structure?

2) What about the general advise you gave ("8 biggest mistakes in SSNLHE"), do you feel all of these apply to the 100NL game as well / to the same extent? If not, which are the biggest differences you see?

Thanks!
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Old 07-13-2005, 06:14 AM   #45
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Re: My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage

Quote:

Hands: 1400

SSS
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VP$IP: 42%
PFR: 19%

ok, seriously: rush

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This is not to say that the advice isn't good
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Old 07-13-2005, 08:06 AM   #46
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Re: My General Starting Hands (WARNING)

did you read my post called "deep stacks, implied odds..."

that wa written right after the change for people having a hard time adjusting...

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Old 09-18-2005, 07:00 PM   #47
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Re: My General Starting Hands (WARNING)

hi fim - superb post!

can you be more specific about the little trash list (ie. is A2 in the list?)

>>> LOT: little offsuit/suited trash 69, 35, 24, 23 etc.

Thanks,

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Old 09-18-2005, 07:16 PM   #48
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Re: My General Starting Hands (WARNING)

hi fim,

another question - you have mentioned how to play when "first in" and "with limper(s)" - how would you deal with a standard raise (3-5BB) for each and hand type/position?

cheers,

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Old 09-18-2005, 08:11 PM   #49
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fan****ingtastic post. should be stickied.
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Old 11-21-2005, 12:15 AM   #50
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Re: My 25NL Adventure/Pilgrimage

Fim,

Question: You are recommending, in early position to CF (call and fold to a raise) w/ AKs. It sounds like you are saying open-limp w/ AKs and then fold to a raise.

1. Do you mean fold only to a huge raise?
2. Why limp?

I guess my confusion comes from comparing AKs to small pocket pairs, where you recommend CC (calling and calling a raise). 22 withstands more heat than AKs?

(And thanks for the post!)
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