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KQ on K433Q board, call all-in? KQ on K433Q board, call all-in?

04-24-2008 , 09:17 AM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

Hero (CO): $100.60
BTN: $76.60
SB: $130.20
BB: $97.40
UTG: $80.00
MP: $200.00

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with Q K
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9.00) 3 4 K (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $6, Hero calls $6, SB calls $6

Turn: ($6.00) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.00) Q (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $14, SB raises to $120.20 all in, BB folds, Hero... (I have $77 left), after going into my time bank villain says "fold"

My thinking at the time was, "KK is just way too unlikely: he limped in pre-flop and I have a king myself. K3, and 43 are just garbage and I don't have any information on villain to tell me he'd play those hands, and people don't usually slow-play bottom two pair on the flop against a bet and a call in a multi-way pot, it gets counterfeited too easily. He might play 33 this way but that would mean he has quads which is just too rare."

So, I ended up putting him on 65 because he would check-call the flop bet for good odds, even though he would probably fold that pre-flop, or 44 because it's safe enough to slow-play in a multi-way pot on a dry board and he's not afraid of the flush, OR he's bluffing.
04-24-2008 , 09:29 AM
whats up with that weak pf r? fold,i guess!
04-24-2008 , 09:32 AM
you played this hand bad on 2 streets now are you going to make it 3?
04-24-2008 , 09:42 AM
uhh, that's my standard pre-flop raise.

excellent point, inside edge. i love your deep, collective insight. mind-blowing wtf
04-24-2008 , 09:44 AM
raise to 4 pf
raise Pot on Flop
collect pot

as played easy fold
04-24-2008 , 09:46 AM
any reads on villains?
id raise flop if i thought villain was sort of donkish and doing this with tp or 56, id flat if it was a reg who had sets in his range

plz bet the turn thats a good card they can have worse etc etc.

converter is ****ed on river but idk i guess a fold is ok against a tightish player but you really really need to post reads
04-24-2008 , 09:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by herbstl
raise to 4 pf
raise Pot on Flop
collect pot

as played easy fold
lol at hating on his pfr size, you guys are a bunch of nits
04-24-2008 , 09:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordan MacPhee
uhh, that's my standard pre-flop raise.

excellent point, inside edge. i love your deep, collective insight. mind-blowing wtf
Regularly make river calls with 2 pair on a paired board when villain shoves big over your redonkulous 2x pot river bet for and you'll go broke.
04-24-2008 , 09:48 AM
PF is fine, of course. wtf.

Flop is standard.

Turn, I would bet. Value, yada yada yada.

River, I think you're right that 65s is the only hand that makes any sense whatsoever (maybe KQ too). In general, I think at this level this is a good spot to stop thinking too hard about how you and villain got there, and without a read just assume that his river action is all you need to decide on the value of villain's hand. i'd fold.

Oh, and I don't like the river bet size.
04-24-2008 , 09:49 AM
Bet turn, fold river. Unless you have a read that says he is capable of bluffing here, you should snapfold this.
04-24-2008 , 09:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xoom
Bet turn, fold river. Unless you have a read that says he is capable of bluffing here, you should snapfold this.
This one. You're right. I said I didn't have a read to put him on 43, K3, so how can I have a read to put him on a bluff either?

Stubborn. So I said to myself, "It's 44 or nothing." I called, and villain showed 44 obv.
04-24-2008 , 10:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordan MacPhee
I called.
lolz.
04-24-2008 , 10:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by InsideEdge
lolz.
ditto
04-24-2008 , 10:46 AM
bet the turn FTW
04-24-2008 , 10:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by herbstl
raise to 4 pf
raise Pot on Flop
collect pot

lol

      
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