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Old 03-13-2013, 09:51 PM   #1
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KK in Small Blind at 200NL

Interested in comments on pre-flop, flop and turn play here.

Hero (SB) $241.75 - VP:41 PFR:6 AF:Inf. Hands:17
Big Blind $203
UTG $104.25 - VP:67 PFR:0 Hands:15
Hijack $35.60
Villain (CO) $195.15 - VP:20 PFR:13 AF:2.6 Hands 100
Button $194

Pre Flop: UTG calls $2, fold, Villain in CO raises to $9, fold.

Hero has K K

Re-raise now? If so, how much?

Action: Hero calls. I want to find out if UTG will come along.

BB and UTG both fold. 2 players going to the flop.

Flop ($22): 9 J A

Open bet here? If so, how much? Or just check?

Action: I lead out with a pot sized bet of $22. Need to find out if Villain has an Ace. Villain calls.

Turn ($66): K

Bet again here? If so, how much? Or check to induce bluffs?

In hindsight, I don't think I played this optimally. I'll take the criticism that is sure to come about what I did poorly, but mostly interested in thoughts on optimal play in this situation.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:02 PM   #2
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Re: KK in Small Blind at 200NL

You can play this so many different ways. If villain has a high Cbet% you are repping anything but an ace on the flop. Since it's pot sized it looks less like a bluff though.

I would bet around half-pot to 3/4 pot here as villain most likely has an ace or draw here that he would like to take to the river for cheap. C/r looks way too strong of a line.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:16 PM   #3
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Re: KK in Small Blind at 200NL

Villain's C-bet is 57%.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:21 AM   #4
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Re: KK in Small Blind at 200NL

Flop play is really bad.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:24 AM   #5
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Flop play is really bad.
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:42 AM   #6
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Re: KK in Small Blind at 200NL

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Flop play is really bad.
Thanks for stating the obvious. How would you play this? What is optimal line
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:48 AM   #7
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Re: KK in Small Blind at 200NL

Why calling pre in sb?
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:25 AM   #8
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Re: KK in Small Blind at 200NL

Pre you have to raise. i think 17 to 22 is good. No reason to play 3 way pot oop. As played,I like betting the flop but don't like the pot bet. 16 or 17 is prob good. OTT you need to bet again, so many draws plus the A. Im betting 44-55 on the turn.
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:31 AM   #9
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Re: KK in Small Blind at 200NL

sry for commenting... I only play 50NL (with some shots on 100NL) but I couldnt resist.

With respect... you butchered the hand on all streets.
Squeeze pre. CO doesnt look that aggro (more chances he has something good) and you dont want to play OOP 3way pot. If the fish comes along its a bonus

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Need to find out if Villain has an Ace
Did you? I dont think so. Not a good reason to bet. As played I would check and evaluate depending on V's tendencies (i.e. cb% etc. ) and action.

turn: as played I would bet to get value from all worse hands (because there are not only worse hands in V's pocket except obv QT)
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Old 03-14-2013, 12:51 PM   #10
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Re: KK in Small Blind at 200NL

As others have stated, 3b pre for sure.

As for flop, how does betting here help you "figure out if he has an ace"?

If he raises your donk, does that tell you he has an ace? Lots of ppl will spazz raise your donk here on this board, since it doesn't make much sense.

If he calls does it tell you he has an ace?

Standard here is for sure to c/c or c/f pending reads. Likely c/c at least one I'd imagine.

As played, definitely bet again, he probably already thinks you're FoS.
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Old 03-14-2013, 03:51 PM   #11
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Re: KK in Small Blind at 200NL

you have the second best starting hand in poker and co is probably raising just to get limpers money...yes, you're re raising. pot is $15. raise to $18, $20 if you want the hand done, you've already made fair value after all. don't get greedy.

flop, you're betting it, and hating the world for bringing an ace. still....even if he doesn't have it, he's betting regardless with that flop...and you're not folding, so put pressure on him. if he re-raises you, you'd have problems on the turn. you're not folding on the turn, you'd have to call regardless, so be prepared to raise a river barring sick cards. if you're not doing that, then raise fold flop. but, have some moxy and put in a raise first. it gets you to the river usually.

as played;

you just hit trips, second best hand probable. so yeah, you're betting, hoping villain has two pair with the ace. it's almost pay day in this situation. value bet $44.
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Old 03-14-2013, 05:04 PM   #12
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Re: KK in Small Blind at 200NL

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Thanks for stating the obvious. How would you play this? What is optimal line
opposite of whatever line u took is optimal
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:32 PM   #13
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Re: KK in Small Blind at 200NL

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opposite of whatever line u took is optimal
Lol. Got it now. Here is the rest of the story.

First, I was the cutoff in this hand, but posted with the roles reversed (claiming I was the SB) to get feedback on his play.

Second, I had JJ for a flopped set. Then decided to flat call the flop and use position and low SPR to get it in on a later street.

Third, he c/r all-in on the turn, which I gleefully called.

Fourth, just to add insult to injury, the 4th king fell on the river.

His play was just horrible.. And I feel so bad!

Thanks for all the comments. Hope I can un-tilt now. Back to the grind.
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Old 03-14-2013, 09:59 PM   #14
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Re: KK in Small Blind at 200NL

usually people reverse the roles to get an unbiased opinion on their play. What was the reason that you posted the hand? For everyone to tell you how badly villain played the hand so you can un-tilt?

Apologies if it sounds that Im attacking you... Im not. Im just curious.
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:29 PM   #15
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Re: KK in Small Blind at 200NL

such an obvious level post lol
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Old 03-15-2013, 09:57 AM   #16
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Villain played his hand so bad and faced up and you still pay him off. Gg.

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Old 03-15-2013, 12:03 PM   #17
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Re: KK in Small Blind at 200NL

60%pot bet on turn.. easy peasey
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