Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BTN: $26.41 (105.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $25 (100 bb)
BB: $28.49 (114 bb)
UTG: $28.38 (113.5 bb)
MP: $28.99 (116 bb)
CO: $29.47 (117.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 J
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $2, BB folds, BTN calls $1.50

Decent hand to 3bet and villain was folding to 3bets over a small sample.

Flop: ($4.25) 3 7 T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

I decided to check/call because getting raised would be pretty bad for us. Plan was to check/shove many turns.

Turn: ($8.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4.50, Hero raises to $20.75 and is all-in, BTN calls $16.25

I went for a check/shove here. Can't really check/call and check/folding seems annoying since we have pretty decent equity (=good hand to check/shove as a bluff?) We can make villain fold hands like KdQd, QT/KT and some random bluffs. Our line should look pretty strong since I don't think villain expects us to shove a hand as weak as this, I think we represent nuts and strong draws mostly.

River: ($50.25) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

[spoil]Results: $50.25 pot ($2 rake)
Final Board: 3 7 T 6 K
BTN showed J 8 and lost (-$25 net)
Hero showed 9 J and won $48.25 ($23.25 net)

Pretty funny outcome...

In my opinion not a good shove on the turn. In these stakes you will not fold out TP good kicker. Even a flush draw would possibly call and beat you with high card. So most of the times you only fold out air.

flat pf. j9s plays well post flop and you don't need to balance your 3betting range at 25nl. As played, you need to cbet with a gutter and backdoor flush draw like 100%. I also hate the c/r allin on the turn..what are you trying to rep?

overall pretty butchered hand

spew spew spew

I disagree with every street, the least with preflop and the most with flop and turn

While I like 3 betting here especially at these stakes b/c many ppl play way too wide when first in on the button which makes 3 betting profitable. But when someone calls your 3 bet you can assume you are behind with J9s as someones calling 3 bet range is usually much stronger than their 3 bet range. So when villain calls here you should precede with caution in terms of your plan to shove the turn. It just so happened that you ran into the bottom of the villains range.

Actually sorry, AP i do agree with the c-bet on the flop but not with the X/R turn. at all. pre is okay and not spew. Turn is absolute spew

Seems a little thin but not bad, you're probably losing slightly/breaking even if villain plays balanced and winning if he's bluffing too often.

I was kinda just wondering if we even want to have a check/call check/shoving range here? If not then I should just cbet this hand since I can't check/call twice.

And if we want to have check/call check/shove range, what are the good candidates to do it with? Atleast TT for value I would imagine, then maybe like AK/AQ with a flushdraw from time to time and sometimes mix a hand like J9 there?

Just to clarify, I think your hand is slightly too weak to shove readless.

You can check/call and then check/fold. Check/calling with that kinda hand is the only way you'll be able to bluff river when turn goes check check.

I definitely think you should have a check/call, check/shove range on this board.

Okey, this makes sense. I just felt that it would be pretty nasty to just fold my equity on the turn. Thanks for your answer.

I'm not very good at constructing these check/call check/raise or check/raise type of ranges, pretty complicated stuff. Tough to know exactly what hands do I want to check/raise or check/call check/raise or just cbet. :P

terrible advice. 3bet is standard. unbalanced 3betting range is lol

As for the hand, pre is standard, don't like having a x/c x/s range on that turn as it will usually be overbluffed. Flop is mandatory bet, x/c is a terrible idea.

Well no one really knows, poker hasn't been solved yet..

indeed

if your worrying about balancing your 3betting range at 25nl well that's probably why you are still in SSNL

Right, because 25NL players don't know how to use a HUD.

Don't know what year you're living in, because people are going to notice your 5% 3bet and exploit you pretty easily.

because anything over 5% 3betting is j9s lol

Keep leveling yourself and be a SSNL 4lyfer

IMO this is a bad board for c/c, c/r.

OTF you want to value bet wide because villain's continuing range consists almost entirely of bluff catchers. For example, if villain 4b JJ, then AT is only beat by sets. Against most ranges, Tx and maybe even as weak as 88/A7 is a value bet in your shoes.

For this reason, you shouldn't have any value hands to c/r turn with. With GS + BDFD, just bet flop and plan on following through on many turns. You should be able to get a decent % of folds because he has to either peel flop light (and fold turn often) or fold flop often.

A board like Kxx or Axx is different because (1) you don't have such a huge overpair advantage, (2) you have a lot of good hands that are not fat value bets and also not scared of flop checking through, and (3) top set significantly blocks villain's flop calling range. C/c decent hands makes a lot more sense and then c/r turn makes sense in some cases.

I don't like flatting anything in the SB if the BB is not a fish, it just offers such a good squeeze spot for the BB. The 3b here is good, definitely don't want to fold this vs someone opening wide OTB. I'm just betting the flop and barreling off on the turn.

pre is beyond standard lol

I 3bet that hand v co

not sure if troll?

3betting 15% is like standard here

Love PF play.
C-bet flop.

"I decided to check/call because getting raised would be pretty bad for us. Plan was to check/shove many turns."

I would've thought that would only be a concern if we have solid history or stats that villain raises flop c-bets in position in 3-bet pots....?

As played turn play seems to spewy.

We c-bet flop and I think the hand plays out a lot easier.