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01-08-2009 , 10:33 AM

P0tR1PP3r

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Villian is a nitty reg. (18/12) I have 7K hands logged on him and his 4 bet is 1.2%. I figured that is AA and KK only. Given I had KK I really thought he had AA. Surely this cant be a bad spot to fold KK pf?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($104)
BB ($23.25)
UTG ($99)
UTG+1 ($100)
CO ($100)
Hero ($292)

Dealt to Hero K

fold, check, CO raises to $4.50, Hero raises to $14, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $100, Hero folds,

CO wins $30.50

01-08-2009 , 10:37 AM

Fonkey123

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the only commentary i can give to this hand is to tell you that i cannot give it any commentary

01-08-2009 , 10:38 AM

emodane

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you're basically 50/50 against a 1.2% 4bet range (QQ+) Still I cannot see myself folding KK PF, maybe that's why I stack off with it so much

01-08-2009 , 10:38 AM

bubaloo

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Well you can see hole cards, so this is obv standard.

01-08-2009 , 10:38 AM

skibbel

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lol, folding KK preflop 6max 100bb deep, lol

01-08-2009 , 10:39 AM

Nachteule

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Why would he 4betshove AA and no other hands? I think you got owned by his AK here a ton.

01-08-2009 , 10:43 AM

Spurious

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Quote:

Originally Posted by emodane

you're basically 50/50 against a 1.2% 4bet range (QQ+) Still I cannot see myself folding KK PF, maybe that's why I stack off with it so much

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nachteule

Why would he 4betshove AA and no other hands? I think you got owned by his AK here a ton.

I used to 3bet shove a wide range, including KK+, but also mid pairs, suited aces, etc.

Folding KK preflop on iPoker is probably the dumbest thing ever. You got owned there by a mid PP i'd say.

Last edited by Spurious; 01-08-2009 at 10:43 AM. Reason: you could fold KK preflop for metagame though

01-08-2009 , 10:43 AM

Vampiro

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So did you 3bet KK for information?

Last edited by Vampiro; 01-08-2009 at 10:50 AM.

01-08-2009 , 10:44 AM

emodane

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nachteule

Why would he 4betshove AA and no other hands? I think you got owned by his AK here a ton.

Been said and I think I said it as well, he's only 100bb deep, you have Kk and you need to call, his 4bet range is insanely tight QQ+ over 7k hands, but i'm sure he is able to make a move with AK, 10s-QQ here as well if he feels you're full of ****, can't see a fold here anywhere PF

01-08-2009 , 10:45 AM

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Fonkey123

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bubaloo why are you up? where do you live?

01-08-2009 , 10:51 AM

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bubaloo

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-Because sleeping is only fun for 12 hours.
-UK.

edit: why are you up? inundated with coaching requests?

01-08-2009 , 10:56 AM

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Fonkey123

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I am an insomniac.

I hired a personal assistant to take care of all my coaching requests.

01-08-2009 , 10:59 AM

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bubaloo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fonkey123

I hired a personal assistant

Ah yeah, i remember goofy saying he got a new job.

01-08-2009 , 11:00 AM

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Fonkey123

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I heard goofy lost his virginity.

01-08-2009 , 11:00 AM

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Fonkey123

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Those 2 might be connected.

01-08-2009 , 11:01 AM

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Fonkey123

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I'm going to wal mart then best buy peace!

01-08-2009 , 11:15 AM

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Spurious

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later

01-08-2009 , 11:21 AM

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kramersaidGETTYUP

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lol u played this hand so god-damn cocksukingmother****ing bad its unbelievable.

1.2% is QQ+ (not KK+)

and with so much investet u simply lit money on fire

01-08-2009 , 11:26 AM

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P0tR1PP3r

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kramersaidGETTYUP

lol u played this hand so god-damn cocksukingmother****ing bad its unbelievable.

1.2% is QQ+ (not KK+)

and with so much investet u simply lit money on fire

Nope, Pokerstove it. 1.4% is QQ KK and AA.

01-08-2009 , 11:29 AM

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Zoomoo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by P0tR1PP3r

Nope, Pokerstove it. 1.4% is QQ KK and AA.

Get a grip of yourself, man

01-08-2009 , 11:32 AM

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JimmyVulmer

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folding KK is a sin

01-08-2009 , 11:33 AM

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serendibz

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YOU MUST CALL!

01-08-2009 , 11:33 AM

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1968

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outplayed by a nitty reg.

01-08-2009 , 11:39 AM

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CallumWright

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This is no where near thread-worthy.
Folding here is just ******ed on so many levels.

01-08-2009 , 11:53 AM

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niknmargy

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i did once fold KK preflop to a guy who 3 bet me and his preflop raise was less than 1% from over 1000 hands. but i can't find a fold here.
i'd be more inclined to assume AA if he'd re-raised to about $45. a good reg would know he's losing value by shoving so big here if he has AA.
bad fold imo

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