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05-04-2007 , 11:49 AM

#101

omaha

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,162

Unfckn real post, agree with all the excellent comments.

A couple of questions

What should our Went to SD and our Won $ at SD be about? Obviously, they are somewhat related, and will depend upon our style.

My wsd is about 30% and won $ at showdown is about 45%

I think i need to get the Won$ at showdown up a bit, and go to the felt less often. Then again, there is a lot to be said for the crying call on the river! I think it was Caro that said (regarding limit) that your river calls will prolly lose, but, averaged out, they win. Obviously this applies less in NL than limit.

What sort of went to SD and won$ at showdown are people getting?

05-04-2007 , 11:52 AM

#102

Grim Reapa

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 149

Went to SD should be ~23%
Won $ - 53%

This is mine over 100k, is this about right??

05-14-2007 , 03:32 PM

#103

luck=skill

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 182

very useful post thx Pokey

05-25-2007 , 07:33 AM

#104

str0kes

centurion

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 189

Great post / bump

05-28-2007 , 10:25 PM

#105

Win.by.TKo

journeyman

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 372

Quick question. How much variance is there in one's PT numbers full ring vs 6-max? It seems that when I play 6-max, I loosen up my hand selection a bit. As a result, PT deemed me as a Maniac (31.8/24/2.75). Granted, the sample size is puny, as I just started playing cash games not too long ago, but it seemed weird to go from a 1.69AF tourney to the 2.75AF 50NL 6-max. What should I make of this change?

06-02-2007 , 08:46 PM

#106

Pokerho

adept

Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 790

Wow, what a post. And apparently my holes are the first things you discuss...

Quote:

1. Do you have sufficient preflop aggression? To answer this question, open up your ring game statistics and go to the "position stats" page. For each position other than the small blind, divide the "PF Raise %" by the "Vol. Put $ In Pot." If you get a number smaller than 0.5, you're not aggressive enough out of that position. See, aggression is a relative term; it should be a function of your level of looseness. You can be a consistently winning player at SSNL with a VPIP of 12%, and you can be a consistently winning player at SSNL with a VPIP of 30%, but only if you are sufficiently aggressive. My general guideline is that you should raise at least half the hands you play, from every position on the table.

I play 6 max nearly exclusively. Here's my stats since PP quit taking US bets: (also coincidentally since my winrate plummeted)

Button : .60
1 : .39
2 : .33
3 : .33
BB : .45

This is the Pre Flop Raise / VPIP number, and obviously almost everything is less than .5, except for the button. My question is, which hands do I play more aggressive? I always thought I was a pretty aggressive player, but obviously not, as the remainder of this post will show.

Quote:

2. Are you positionally aware? Positional awareness means that you understand Ed Miller's comment when he said:

Quote:

Total all the dollars you've ever bet playing poker. The large majority of those dollars should have been bet from late position. Only a small percentage of your total handle should have been bet from up front.

To test this, go to the Position Stats and look down the list of VPIP from Button to UTG. You should see that VPIP steadily dropping the farther you get from the button. I'd love to see my button VPIP at double my UTG VPIP, but if my Button VPIP is at least 50% larger than my UTG VPIP, I'm happy with the situation.

My numbers:

Button : 28.63
1 : 26.90
2 : 27.13
3 : 25.50
BB : 15.53
SB : 35.51

I think this is generally trending in the right direction, but it is way off from what Pokey thinks is right. In particular, my Button VPIP isn't anywhere near 50% more than my UTG VPIP. Do I play more from the button, or play less from UTG? Or both? Is this as relevant in 6-max as it is in full ring?

Quote:

10. Postflop aggression. Clear the filter. Select the “More Detail…” button above the “Filters…” button. Scroll down. There is a section marked “First Action on Flop After A Pre-flop Raise.” This shows your likelihood of continuation betting. If you add Bet and Raise, the total should be at least 40%. If it’s not, you’re probably giving up too soon on your good hands, and that will cost you money in the long run. Remember: people who cold-call a preflop bet are often in fit-or-fold mode. If you don’t bet, you don’t give them a chance to fold. The pot is already decent-sized, and there’s no reason to give some donk a free look at a turn card that could sink you. If you raised preflop, you need a good reason NOT to raise the flop. Continuation betting should be your default play. Scroll down a bit farther to “Aggression Factor.” Your total aggression factor should be at LEAST 2. No-limit is not a game where you can call frequently and turn a profit. You should always be looking to see if you can raise or fold; only if you have a good reason why you CANNOT raise or fold should you call. As a result, calling should be an infrequent occurrence in your play, which gives you a large aggression factor.

My aggression factor:
Pre Flop : 0.59
Flop : 4.27
Turn : 3.38
River : 3.39
Total : 1.29

Again, I used to think I was pretty aggressive. How big a change do I need to make? Which portion should I be more aggressive on? All of them? If I change my PF aggression, will that fix the whole biscuit, or no? And as with PF aggression, how do I know how far to go? How aggressive is too aggressive?

06-03-2007 , 07:45 AM

#107

Rainclouds

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,698

Regarding the last issue, just limp less and it's all good. It's really that simple.

06-05-2007 , 04:26 PM

#108

godofPOPOV

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 128

you said under number one to open up your ring game stats,
does all this information apply exactly to cash games as well?

06-08-2007 , 12:53 PM

#109

Bonobo11

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 336

Great stuff !! Thnx

06-12-2007 , 03:16 AM

#110

Vecernicek

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,781

I'm sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask this in, but can anyone tell me if PokerTracker currently works for OnGame skins?

06-12-2007 , 03:25 AM

#111

Unknown Soldier

Soulja Boy

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 12,238

thats pokerroom right? pretty sure it does but you have to get the HH by email i think.

06-12-2007 , 03:33 AM

#112

sublime

Mr. Roper

Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 22,522

Quote:

You should now see a number that reflects both your traditional steals (Pokey method) and limpers plus blinds steal (dbitel extension). Since you (hopefully) already marked how well you did under traditional steals, you can add in how your additional steals are going. This number should be very postive. For me, it's over +1BB/hand.

MT2R-

perhaps a silly question, but were you usuing AVG/HAND or BB/HAND when you posted it was +1?

also, were those FR stats or 6 max? i only ask because over 45k hands i steal very well, but when adding limpers my BB/hand only goes up like 2/10ths of a BB/hand (these are all 6 max hands)

06-12-2007 , 04:10 AM

#113

Vecernicek

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,781

Quote:

thats pokerroom right? pretty sure it does but you have to get the HH by email i think.

Yeah, its PokerRoom, as well as Hollywood, etc.

There is a website that allows you to look up and go through HH's, so I was just wondering if HH#s would be enough? Or if you need to get them emailed, as you mentioned, or what. I'm having a hard time finding the answers on the PT site, but I'm also kind of stupid.

06-12-2007 , 04:45 AM

#114

Unknown Soldier

Soulja Boy

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 12,238

sorry, all i know is that they are supported. Not sure how to upload the HH

06-30-2007 , 10:18 PM

#115

nicksnuts

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 20

Hey,

i am playing .10 - .25 $ NL 6 max and i reviewed my PT database stats of about 40.000 hands with this guidelines. I managed to have a good and solid winrate of just under 8 PTBB/100 and most of the stats look good according to the guidelines, except two and i would appreciate advice on how to solve those leaks.

5. HEADS-UP PLAY: If i only change the number of players seeing the flop to the range of 2-2, then i get a positive BB/100. But when i select "No Raise" under "Pre-flop Raise" i get a negative (0.08) BB/100. How do i address this leak?

9. OFFSUITED CONNECTORS: When i check my BB/100 if look at my SUITED CONNECTORS i get a nice positive 0.47 BB/100 and i play alot of them, about 77% VPIP. But when i check my OFFSUITED CONNECTORS i get a negative (0.06). Can anyone help me with this leak, cause i think this number should be positive as well?

07-01-2007 , 01:07 AM

#116

Saviour_Flare

banned

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 191

nice post

07-11-2007 , 08:01 PM

#117

Phase2

enthusiast

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 56

Hi everyone, first post.

I have known of 2+2 for as long as I have been playing poker with people other then my close friends, but never really felt the urge to post.

I was a member of another forum, but i was more there for general poker talk / poker entertainement / sillyness. Ive always known that for hard-core poker analysis by the brightest minds in the game to come to 2+2. It was too overwhelming at first (haha).

So, what I am wondering is if there is a way to combine the data from my account on PokerStars (9k hands tracked), with my account on FullTitl (2.5k hands tracked) and my account on PartyPoker (1k). ??

thanks

07-11-2007 , 08:10 PM

#118

Trident

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 189

Quote:

Welcome, and yes there is. Under the General Info tab in your database there is a button that says "Aliases..." at the top of the page and a little to the right. By clicking on that button it will allow you to combine your names on different sites.

07-11-2007 , 08:27 PM

#119

GSykes

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4,896

This is a great post and when I was running bad I looked it over and man it restored all confidence in myself.

07-11-2007 , 09:46 PM

#120

wrkingtobegreat

adept

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,060

phenomenal post

08-26-2007 , 02:44 PM

#121

siete777

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 30

I found out because of your advice that I lose about 8 ptbb/100 h when I coldcall or limp preflop and do not raise preflop. All in all I lost as much as I won because of my weak/bad play here. How can I learn to play a different style? Shall I 3bet more preflop with pocket pairs instead of calling them for setvalue? I hope s.o. might help me here.

08-30-2007 , 02:49 PM

#122

peacefulpaul

newbie

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 35

I just wanted to add my name to the long list of people who've said thanks for this post. I've got hardly any hands in PT yet (500) so I'm ignoring the results data, but the decision data is already at least a little bit relevant I think - looks like I'm on the right track, except for my 0 raises ever on the turn so far :-)

09-04-2007 , 12:43 PM

#123

federer

enthusiast

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 85

Hi all.

I have a problem with Poker Tracker.

First, when I open it, a WARNING appears:
"Another instnce of Poker Tracker is already running. Be axare that if you attempt to import hand histories from multiple instances at the same time it could leasd to database errors.
It is suggested that you NOT run more than one instance of Poker Tracker at the same time."

Next, when I click on the room I play, a second message appears: Hand History Files.
"Please note that you currently have 513 hand history files in your hand history folder. This indicates that you have not been moving/deleting or allowing Poker Yracker to move these files (using the Move processed files... option of this window) when you close this window. It could also just mean that this is the first time you have used the auto-import functionnality.
In either case, this many hand history files could cause the import to be somewhat slow and appear to be frozen at times while it is processing. It is strongly recommenended that you use the Move processed files... option to keep this window running as fast as possible.

What can I do? I really do not know where are the problems.

Can you help me ?

09-04-2007 , 12:55 PM

#124

DWarrior

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,787

Close your PT, then run Task Manager and go to Processes tab. See if there is a process named "ptrack2" and end it, that should solve problem 1.

Problem 2: remove your old HH files?

09-05-2007 , 06:46 AM

#125

federer

enthusiast

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 85

I sent a mail to the support of Poker Tracker.
For the first problem, they told me to restart the computer. I did it and the mistake has disappeared.

For the second problem, they told me to move or delete hand history files. But I do not know how I can do it ... !!!
Do you have an idea ?
Thanks for your help and i am sorry for my fish's questions!!!

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