i think this move is ok, given that the utg minraise often means a massive range of hands and that the 3bet is also a fairly wide range, so if you have a really tight image i don't mind this

i also don't think it really matters what you hold in this spot, but i would rather have 22 then some random garbage. at least if i am ever called i can hit something once in a while

all in all it is pretty marginal, may be +EV, it's close


btw - you have set up this post crappily, as you are blatantly showing off about your great play as you have defended it to the death. try and be more neutral about your play in the future and you will learn more

I reviewed this video and found it very applicable. Although, instructional concepts are not intended to be applied in a "copy and paste" manner. The concept is: when a weak raise is made and a 3bet with a wide range is made to apply pressure to the initial raise, then a 4bet bluff can be profitable since only the the very top of the 3bettors range can continue. It is applicable to any spot this is true; not only in a BTN BLIND BLIND situation.

I agree with all of the post below:

UTG being weak was a given in my OP, this was deduced based off observations that utg had VPIP>35, a lack of positional awareness (utg means nothing to him), and a pattern of varying raise size with strength.

I would not be the only one noticing this and any solid LAG or TAG would be 3betting many PP's, and suited and unsuited broadway connectors as low as TJ.

I agree, doesn't matter much since it is a bluff, but 22 is a good hand since it plays easily after the flop in the case we are called, and if you notice this is effectively the same hand DJ Sensei used for his 4bet bluff.

I agree also, if i thought it was hugely +EV I wouldn't have a need for advice and thus would not have posted it.


This I agree with this too. I shouldn't have include the results although with the new hand converter/spoiler method I have been including them since posters have the choice to look at them or not. But I think it has given me an image of being pompous, which I did not intend. I defended not that the move was great, but rather that it was worthy o consideration and not blatantly -EV.

It may or may not be +EV but it is surely not severly -EV. I suspect you are being obtuse.

If you want to get technical, folding can be considered -EV since we pay 1.5BB per orbit, which means if we fold everything we loose .25BB per hand.

if you have a squeaky clean tight image it might be barely +EV, but not really worth it anyway. find a better spot if you wanna pull these moves (CO vs BU, etc)