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can we fold this? can we fold this?

02-18-2010 , 09:03 PM
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($50.25)
BB ($63.44)
Hero ($50)
CO ($51.61)
BTN ($25.08)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

Hero raises to $1.75, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $1.25

FLOP ($3.75) 7 9 5

BB bets $1.87, Hero raises to $5.50, BB raises to $9.13, Hero calls $3.63

TURN ($22.01) 7 9 5 3

BB bets $22.01

villain is the reason I am on the table although only 23 hands on him (52/17) but seen him prove he is a fish. So many hands on the flop but when he bet/min3bets I dont like it at all. Turn is a shove or fold obviously. Stoved a range and at best I have 40%equity on the turn. Do most of you muck this here? Just so many draws we could be ahead of
02-18-2010 , 09:34 PM
Raise more on the flop. After he min 3bets... try to get it in on the flop imo. As played shovel the turn you got the best card.
02-18-2010 , 10:23 PM
Shooooooooooooveeeeeeee
02-18-2010 , 10:54 PM
If you call the flop your plan has to be shove over a bet on the brickiest brick ever
02-19-2010 , 01:50 AM
i hate these weak lead / 3b raises

i cant fold flop (tho prob should) but am definitely folding turn. this is never a draw ever in the universe, and it definitely doesn't look like TT/JJ either

just so you have an idea here on his combinations of hands he can have: 55/77/99/57/79/68 = 43 combos
add that to the fact that no one weak lead / min-3b flop with a draw here, and the fact that and turn is a trivial fold imo
02-19-2010 , 02:27 AM
ohh god, this min3B or any sort of 2x postflop raise from fish is like screaming 2pair+ allmost allways, but occasionally it`s a spazz with like A9o, so i probably get it in more often then not on this turn. If you saw him being aggresive post in any pots before this hand, combining with the fact he is 52/17 i think we just shove this turn pretty profitably, but he will show up here with any 2 pair straight or set quite a bit
02-19-2010 , 02:56 AM
I agree with above posters. This is a fold on the turn for sure. His line is sickly strong.
02-19-2010 , 03:30 AM
Have to agree with Ramrod here.

1) He min 3b this flop. Does he ever do that with a draw?

2) He pots the turn. Does he ever do this with a draw?

I think you're beat here very often. This board hits his PF call range pretty hard.
02-19-2010 , 05:27 AM
His line is that of a really big fish with a monster hand. fold turn. the absolute BEST case is he has 2 pair and your drawing to 8 outs
02-19-2010 , 05:47 AM
we shouldnt be calling this flop raise to fold on this card.
02-19-2010 , 07:51 AM
You can't really expect a 52/17's lines to make a lot of sense. I'm getting this in on the flop, QQ is a very strong hand here and you can't put a 52/17 on 2 pair+ just because he did something weird.
02-19-2010 , 09:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnonyOne
You can't really expect a 52/17's lines to make a lot of sense. I'm getting this in on the flop, QQ is a very strong hand here and you can't put a 52/17 on 2 pair+ just because he did something weird.
lol ... its not some random weird line like. it's a weak lead / 3bet.
02-19-2010 , 09:19 AM
easy enough to say if you call the flop raise you have to get it in on the turn, as I dont think anyone folds to a min3bet on the flop here with QQ.

some interesting points though, I am going so start paying more attention to hands like this to see if I can start to get away from them because as some of you have said, a lead/minraise is never a draw, its at least 2pair.
02-19-2010 , 04:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramdon
lol ... its not some random weird line like. it's a weak lead / 3bet.
If this guy was really passive I'd be inclined to agree with you, but I've seen so many bad aggro fish take this line with weak one pair type hands.

      
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