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Big draw bluff shove on turn? Big draw bluff shove on turn?

06-29-2010 , 01:12 AM
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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SB: $256.40
BB: $206.40
UTG: $172.00
CO: $283.00
Hero (BTN): $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with A T
UTG raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, BB raises to $20, 1 fold, Hero calls $16

Flop: ($45.00) K 2 5 (2 players)
BB bets $25, Hero calls $25

Turn: ($95.00) J (2 players)
BB bets $48, Hero raises to $155 all in

I had seen villian squeeze a couple times in the short session. Given my big draw, i floated flp to see if he gave up. Seemed like a weak t c bet with 1/2 pot. Given my big draw and the remote possibility that he has a hand like underpair to K, i decided to shove.

Any flaw with this logic or its profitable shove?
06-29-2010 , 01:35 AM
I'm folding preflop. As for the flop, I definitely think you should raise.
06-29-2010 , 02:09 AM
preflop seems bad. People don't squeeze UTG that light in general. ATs is a some what light call in most 3bet pots in general, I think in this spot it's bad.

As played. I float the flop too. U don't raise this flop with anything for value.

His bet sizing isn't much of a tell. All you can read from it is he's trying to get in it in by the river instead of sizing so he can shove turn. But, that doesn't tell you much. It's a pretty dry flop short of the flush draw and he probably expects your range to be weighted towards pocket pairs so you can't have that many flush draws.

I think the turn is a fold. You aren't repping much. Can you have KJ here? JJ is about all that is likely, maybe AK depending on how utg plays.
06-29-2010 , 06:34 AM
Unless you put him on a very wide 3bet range in this spot, just fold preflop. You have position but your hand is easily dominated by just about everything in his value 3bet range, and as others said, UTG/BTN is not really a typical combination of players to squeeze from the blinds. His preflop range is probably something to the effect of TT+, AK, AQ, and some occasional bluffs with suited connectors or low pairs.

As played, flat flop is good, but on the turn your shove doesn't really fold out many better hands (maybe AQ, AJ, QQ, maybe 22-77 on occasion, all of which you have reasonable equity against...?) and never really seems to get called by worse. I don't understand the point; with his small turn bet size you can just flat the turn bet and then get it in on the river if you hit, or possibly even use position to steal it away with your busted draw if you miss and he gives up after 2 barrels.

As for people suggesting that you raise flop, I don't understand what that accomplishes. You have a FD+1 over with a couple backdoor straight draws. Anything villain gets it in with here is going to be at least marginally ahead of you, so you can't really value raise the flop, and you won't fold out very many better hands, as noted above. Why raise?

Last edited by setoverset55; 06-29-2010 at 06:39 AM.
06-29-2010 , 09:03 AM
Im going to have a look through this hand in a little greater detail in a short while, but there is one point I find particularly interesting.

WRT raising the flop, given that we don't know a great deal about his barrelling tendencies on later streets and that we have like 40ish% equity vs his shoving range on this flop, I don't think that raising can be all that bad. Most people will be c-betting this board texture close to 100%.

I definitely agree that we don't really rep any value hands, but he cant exactly do much about that w/airish hands OOP with this PSR.

I admit it isn't the most finesse line, but it is almost certainly +ev.

      
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