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07-22-2011 , 02:56 AM
then don't make posts like the one above?
07-22-2011 , 03:18 AM
I thought I already told you to delete those and that I agree not to make other posts like those again. So now all you have to do is remove the infractions, and the people can get what they want.
07-22-2011 , 03:18 AM
It's a sitewide rule, terp just happens to be the mod in this part of the forums. I've received infractions for less.

Kind of disappointed that you just dismissed clowntable's questions. I feel that those were really the ones worth answering imo.

Thanks for doing this anways.
07-22-2011 , 03:42 AM
I figured he could use his discretion, give me a warning and let things be. If I were some random poster or troll obviously asking for these things would be kinda ridiculous, but when you have someone who can give good advice to all of the people in the forum and is willing to do so, I'm pretty sure that giving them infractions won't generally make them too happy that they spent their time helping most of those people out. It just seems silly that he hasn't done it already so I could start answering more questions. Maybe he feels he has to show everybody he's the boss no matter what the majority of you want.
07-22-2011 , 05:09 AM
marshall - if you have comments regarding the moderation, please PM me or bring it up in ATF. this thread is a great well thread, but you are the only one who is derailing it.
07-22-2011 , 06:45 AM
Marshall28 you seem to be overreacting here. Terp is just doing what he's supposed to be doing. Bring it up to him in private if you have a problem.
07-22-2011 , 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by Marshall28
I figured he could use his discretion, give me a warning and let things be.
That's what the infraction points are: A Warning.
You didn't get banned, and the thread didn't even get closed. You broke a sitewide rule against selling coaching services and got off with a warning.

Now you seem intent on turning this into a "I got my feelings hurt, so I'm going to take my ball and go home" drama bomb for no reason.
07-22-2011 , 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by Marshall28
I'm not a great person to ask this question because like I said, I'm very poor with mathematics. I just know that when I'm holding a AK on K84 that my opponent will also have Kx 12% of the time (the same percentage of flopping a set).

It's more like, how many hand combos make up your opponent's value range versus their bluffing range if they c/r on something like Ad7d6c? 3 combos of 66, 3 combos of 77, 1 combo of 89dd, 1 combo T9dd... etc. I don't treat it like an exact science, but it's stuff that I would make a lot more mistakes if I didn't know it.
i'm assuming you just miss-spoke but this is quite inaccurate. actually its just wrong.
07-22-2011 , 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by blah-blah-blah
i'm assuming you just miss-spoke but this is quite inaccurate. actually its just wrong.
This is what I was informed by people whom I trusted. If I'm wrong please correct me and show why that's the case.
07-22-2011 , 03:40 PM
Originally Posted by clowntable
Nah I'm fine if you don't answer any. That's kind of my base questions catalogue I always use to evaluate if I want to get coaching from someone

I guess the only thing I'd be interested in is "how you check stats" before making decisions i.e. just walk us through what you look at and roughly think/look for in these two spots
1) You're OTB, CO (or any other position, doesn't matter) opened
2) You're OTB, folded to you
I think most people have an over-reliance on HUD's and read too much into them. Certainly HUDs can provide important information, but that information is just one variable among many to consider. The most important variable at any given moment is always the game flow, so if I have a read on my HUD that tells me it's more likely my opponent is going to fold to a 3bet rather than 4bet me, but based on the flow of the game, it appears to me more likely that I will get 4bet--I'm not going to bluff in that spot.

If I'm in CO and it's folded to me, I want to know how aggressive the button is, the most important stat there would be "3bet % OTB". Even if he's a guy that flats a lot that makes me not particularly thrilled to be raising too light.

If I'm in position and the pot is opened in front of me, say MP opens I wanna look at "Raise 1st in % from MP", and "Fold to 3bet when opening from MP".

When I'm OTB I look at how frequently the blinds 3bet from their respective position versus steals.
07-22-2011 , 03:44 PM
Originally Posted by standard_nickname
You're OTB, SB and BB are regs w 70-75% fold BB vs steal and 7% 3b, 9-10% 3b in the blinds vs steal. How much do you open? Thanks for doing this!
It depends on how much respect they have for me. If they are afraid of playing pots against me, I'll open wider than I might against players who had no fear of playing pots against me.

I don't really see how you can improve much by asking a question like this. It's more dependent on your own personal style. All I mean is, what works best for me might not work best for you.
07-22-2011 , 03:45 PM
Originally Posted by thrust123
how long should it take for someone playing ~50k hands/month to move up from 2NL to 100NL, and then from 100NL to 400NL? 1000NL?

at which point should someone consider quitting if not being able to move up?

I have no idea the answer to this question. I can't even speculate because I haven't played below 200nl in 3 or 4 years.

Jungleman went from 100nl to 100,000nl in like 18 months though or something like that.
07-22-2011 , 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by Solaryn
Assuming you have the initiative postflop, and assuming it's headsup, when do you not cbet?
This question is too vague, it'd take me hours to type the answer.
07-22-2011 , 03:56 PM
Originally Posted by krikeysmate
Hey, you mentioned how shady there wire transfer practice is? Can you elaborate on this? Are they just not wiring it to you? I was kind of hoping that wire transfer is the only way you can actually get money off
Okay so here's what they did:

Before BF, about 6 months after I signed up, I requested a wire transfer from them for 25k. I was a little worried at the start when they were saying they might not be able to make it happen and were taking 3-4 weeks until giving me a response. Then I came here to 2p2 and found that the owner Atil Singh had helped other players in the past, so I pm'ed him and explained my situation.

Very quickly we were chatting about the stuff on skype and he assured me that there would be no problems and that he would push the money through. I received that money very quickly and also was able to make a number of other similarly sized wire transfers over the next few months.

Then, BF happened. At that point I had a little over 30k on the site, and I started thinking I should get the money off in case the DOJ went after Carbon as well. So I did the same thing I had always done in order to receive a wire transfer, except this time I received no responses from any of the places I had previously had success. Their technical support began ignoring my e-mails, I sent about one a week, they would pretty much tell me every time "sorry we don't have an answer for you at this time but we will get back to you within 48 hours" and they just NEVER got back to me. After about 6 weeks they completely stopped responding. So then I started sending Atil messages on skype, at first I threatened to make a big deal out of it and to post about my problems with them on 2p2. When those threats didn't work, I sorta backed down and was like "look I know you guys pretty much have me by the balls but please could you just send me one message and let me know my funds are safe or that you will do what you can to help me get my funds out safely?" And still nothing.

I sent PM's to CarbonChris, which went unanswered for a couple of weeks. Finally I was getting too nervous about it (30k is enough money for me to live for like at least 6 months so it's kind of important to me), so I started looking for someone to buy up the money in my account.

I found somebody in HSNL transfer thread who would trade me cash if I flew to Vegas, so I did that, flew to Vegas for a couple days, traded 25k in my account for 75 cents on the dollar and put my cash in the bank.

A week after I arrived home I talked to two friends who both use Carbon and both had received similarly sized (to my 30k) bank wires while I had yet to receive any kind of message from support.

So basically they cost me almost 8 grand. And still I haven't heard a peep from them. Keep in mind I am the highest level VIP that their system offers and this is the type of treatment I received. It was pathetic and I'm very unhappy with them.
07-22-2011 , 03:57 PM
Can you name the top 5 regs on merge? obviously not including yourself
07-22-2011 , 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by Sirrybob
BVB first hand against a reg
You 3x AQ, he 3bets, you call.

Flop q93s, you c/c. Turn 7 and he bets 24bb into 38bb pot. You?
If it's the 1st hand I probably 4bet/call, but I might flat occasionally. If I did I'd c/c all the way down here, not much point in raising on the turn as you just shut out most of his bluffing hands and isolate his strong hands.
07-22-2011 , 04:05 PM
Originally Posted by BigPoppa
If you only answer one of Clowntable's questions, answer this one:

Say a guy raises first in 20% from UTG, he opens and it folds to you on the button with unknowns in the blinds. UTGs fold to 3bet from UTG is 50% (100bb eff)...

What's your 3betting strategy in general i.e. how do you construct your range, what types of hands would you rather flat vs this villain?
How do your ranges change if one/both of the blinds are squeeze happy?
How does it change if you are BB and it folds to you (i.e. you're OOP)?
20% from UTG is too loose. I'd be attacking him often from every spot. The thing about this type of spot is that your cards don't matter too much because you are representing such a narrow range for value. Your hand just should rarely go to showdown so it doesn't really matter what you have.

My range would adjust based on how frequently I had been 3betting him and how he had mostly been responding to those 3bets.

For example, if he tightens up his opening range, I'll 3bet even more polarized but do it less frequently. If he stays just as loose opening 20% but begins 4betting then I'll start adjusting my 3b range to include hands I want to 5bet shove. If he doesn't loosen up but starts flatting my 3bets, okay now I want to 3bet him even more with all parts of my range and not flat much at all (particularly when I'm in position, not when OOP), here I'll 3 barrel thinly for value and 3 barrel bluff frequently.

I just don't do much flatting in general against UTG opens. If I did happen to be flatting a bunch and the blinds were squeeze happy, I don't adjust to change most of those hands I'm flatting and begin to 3bet them, I just strengthen my flatting range by including bigger pairs in there in order to protect myself the other times I flat.

I don't do much 3bet bluffing BB vs UTG because that is representing the narrowest of ranges possible for value, I flat almost my entire value range against most players in that spot.
07-22-2011 , 04:07 PM
Originally Posted by sevendeuc24
Can you name the top 5 regs on merge? obviously not including yourself
I think that these three guys are sort of heads and shoulders above the rest of the pack:

girahh, linecrusher, romeoagogo

There were also some newer guys that came on after BF who didn't play a ton but I thought were very good, two of those guys I remember were

playerplayer120334 (I don't remember the numbers but his name was playerplayer with random numbers), and allinseansean
07-22-2011 , 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by Elite Donk
Super sweet thread. I love the answers you have given so far. Thanks for doing this.
If you have time to answer more questions, below questions are ranked in order of importance to me:

Q1. If all you have is stats on a reg, how do you know if you can profitably flat hands like 56s QTs T9s KTs KJo(marginal hands)? If you go by raise 1st %, how do you know what % is loose enough for you to profit? I realise this is kind of difficult to answer because it depends on squeezy/recreational players behind, but iv been flatting stuff all over the place, like QTs OTB vs an 11% UTG opener which iv been told is wrong but i still don't have too much of a clue. Is it a difficult decission for everyone? or are there ways of figuring these problems out away from the table? Any advice you could give would help
If someone is opening 11% from UTG I'd be folding everything but my pairs and would just flat those. 11% is just too tight for me to try to make a profit against him by doing anything but trying to make a set.

There's no way of knowing exactly what percentage is loose enough for you to profit with certain hands because it depends overall on how well you play and how well your opponent plays. If you can't figure this out I'd say you should stay tighter on average until you are better able to figure these answers out on your own.

In late 2008 I had began writing a book about this type of stuff but later decided too many people already had the information and it wouldn't be worth it, maybe it still is though.
07-22-2011 , 04:15 PM
Originally Posted by Elite Donk

Q2. "What's your general thought process like in spots where you 3bet for value but don't flop a pair i.e. you 3bet AK (or AQ) both IP and more importantly OOP. Mine tends to be "**** now what" which can't be optimal :P I feel like if I 3bet AQ for value there have to be a bunch of worse unpaired combos in villains range so I should be thinking "bluffcatch" but somehow I can't quite pull the trigger often. "
Your problem here likely comes from not playing the other parts of your range optimally. I hear from a lot of guys I coach that they say stuff like "I don't want to 3bet AK here because I'm afraid I won't get action on A and K high boards, and on other ones my opponents won't fold."

Basically the problem is that you aren't 3betting bluffs and other parts of your range often enough to justify 3betting AQ and expect to get paid off. You have to either create an aggressive dynamic, or you just have to start getting caught bluffing every once in a while in order to get paid off with AQ.

Note also that when you are capable of 3betting junkier parts of your range that when you miss with AQ you are still able to represent other types of boards as you should have hands with weaker values in your 3betting range.

edit: BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if you tried to put this advice into action, then came back and said "hey I tried to do what you said but lost 10 buy ins in the process". So be careful with this info, the best thing you could probably do is get a coach to help you with this stuff.

Last edited by Marshall28; 07-22-2011 at 04:35 PM.
07-22-2011 , 04:18 PM
Originally Posted by Elite Donk
Q3. Your answer to this hand kind of confused me. You talked about being able to bluff in all spots you value bet. To be gto here, if we vbet AK+ my math says we could bluff 14 combos and be gto. Are you saying hero's play is bad because TJo would not fit into your bluffing range(say you would rather bluff missed hearts to give a better bluffing frequency and betting 14 combos of air here is fine till you find out if he calls too wide), or do u not bluff in this spot at all, because of an exploitative general read you have for this spot. Would you vbet KQ here?
Yeah I rarely bluff this spot because I'd be playing an exploitative strategy against players at these stakes. I just think he's going to call very often on this river card, so I'd bluff it very little and value bet it hard and often with KJ+
07-22-2011 , 04:40 PM
Originally Posted by Marshall28
This is what I was informed by people whom I trusted. If I'm wrong please correct me and show why that's the case.
again, i think you just miss-spoke. what you actually mean is that if you have AK and villain has Kx, then the chance of a king flopping is 12%, similar to the chances of flopping a set. that is not the same as you having AK on a Kxx flop and your opponent having Kx 12% of the time.

these are two VERY different statements.
07-22-2011 , 04:45 PM
Originally Posted by WorldBoFree
What would you say the top 2-3 things you do to exploit other regs, and or which type of exploiting do you feel you do well, or that people should do more of in general?
Nowadays most of the things I do better than other regs are quite intangible because the average reg today is so good compared to 3 or 4 years ago.

These intangibles I'd estimate as classifying my opponents based on their skill very precisely and playing against the level of skill I suspect him to have. A lot of hand reading is involved in here, and also just doing things like manipulating his perception of the game flow.

Okay I just thought of one way I take advantage of a lot of guys who 3bet too much out of the blinds against steals:

Most people 3bet too much from the blinds against steals and also don't adjust their 3betting range based on my percentage of button opens. So if a guy is 3betting SB and BB versus BTN opens say 12-14%, I narrow my button opening range to like 25% of hands and I flat 85% of my range to their 3bets which allows me to have a very strong defending range and really hurts their ability to 3 barrel bluff me as I have 100% of my AA's and KK's in my defending range.
07-22-2011 , 04:46 PM
Originally Posted by blah-blah-blah
again, i think you just miss-spoke. what you actually mean is that if you have AK and villain has Kx, then the chance of a king flopping is 12%, similar to the chances of flopping a set. that is not the same as you having AK on a Kxx flop and your opponent having Kx 12% of the time.

these are two VERY different statements.
Yes I miss-spoke. Thanks for clearing that up though.
07-22-2011 , 04:47 PM
Originally Posted by cowboygaybets
what % of the time can i fold to a 3b when i raise first otb v blinds?
Another poster already pointed out, this question is too vague. It'd take me forever to respond accurately.