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08-06-2011 , 04:31 PM
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08-06-2011 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark89er
DRTY DANCIN OR TITANIC?
DIS TRICK QUEZTION????
08-06-2011 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SonOfGod
100nl 6m game, effective stacks are you (300bb), button: 60/20 drooler (150bb) and BB: winning reg, plays 20/17 (300bb)

you open 3x UTG, folds to BTN fish who calls (SB folds), reg in BB 3-bets to 15x.

1. what are your flatting and 4-betting ranges here if reg has 10% 3bet? what are they if he has 5% 3bet? (i'm assuming fish always calls if we call)

2. let's say vs this particular reg you're not happy getting allin pre for 300 bb's with anything besides AA. would it be ok to just not have a 4-betting range here?
All this depends on whether the fish will call if I 4bet. Some of them will.

If the fish will never call the 4bet, I'll flat my entire range except AK I will 4bet and sometimes AQ I will 4bet because I prefer to take the pot down pre and I'm happy to apply additional pressure to the reg in the blinds who we are deep with.

If I'm not happy getting anything but AA all in pre that means I should start bluffing this guy so that later I will be happy to get all in against him lighter in future situations.
08-06-2011 , 04:41 PM
Clowntable,

If it were me you were up against in that AQ hand, I wouldn't think much of it at all. AQ is a pretty standard hand to show up with there against an unknown, and there really aren't any points previously that I think you should put in a raise.

Sure 3betting is fine to do as well, but when you have no history with someone, flatting it pre makes perfect sense.

When I don't see you do anything out of the ordinary, I'm not going to make any adjustments and will just continue to play my normal game.

On the Q95fd board yeah c/r the flop makes a lot more sense, but there's nothing you could do based off of the dynamic of that first hand that would make me react differently because the AQ hand was just standard.

One thing you could do is value c/r the river with AQ if that exact spot came up again, otherwise, you are thinking too hard I think.
08-06-2011 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gball
About nirwandas hand, why not bet > half stack on the turn if he is good 90% and will get called by worse a lot (including draws I would guess), instead of betting smaller and having the river bring flush or 4 to a straight and the aggro donk lead shoving psb? And if sometimes when the fish raises it's gonna be a tough spot so what? Why not even shove the turn for ~1.2x pot?
Betting less than half effective stacks>>shoving>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>betting 3/4 of our stack
08-06-2011 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SonOfGod
how much skill difference do you think there is between the best 5/10 regs and guys like jungleman/durrr/galfond etc? i'm under the impression that the big nosebleed winners are better of course, but only slightly, and the main difference is willingness to take shots and running good at the right time.

would you agree with this or am i not giving the nosebleed heros enough credit?

how safe do you think it is to have significant funds on Merge for the medium-longish term future (say, 6-12 months)? the CEO guy seems legit but business is business, bodog shutting off US players kind of has me wondering.. kind of a vague question but answer however you like.
The best 5/10 regs and the nosebleed guys? Huge difference. I've played heads up across 4 tables 5/10 against Sauce123 and against LOLOLOLOLOL. Sauce would be a nosebleed guy and LOL was one of the best 5/10 regs. I pretty much didnt stand much of a chance against Sauce. And against LOL I actually did pretty well (obviously it was a small sample of about 1200 hands or something so maybe he would crush me if we played 15k hands, but I really doubt it. He might beat me by a little or we might be about even, it's too hard to say though given the sample we played).

Sometimes I personally find it hard to believe that anyone out there could really be that much better than myself just because I think there is so much I understand about the game and so many things that I hear top video producers say when I already had thought the same thing and came to the same conclusions (like girah's video for example).

I think somebody like Nutsinho is a good example. When I watch his videos, he says and does things that I wouldn't think of or still have trouble understanding. He's more cognizant of his overall range in every spot, and just more confident in his understanding of it that he is able to attack more players and be more aggressive in situations that I would be uncertain of.
--This is a good example for the question that Poker Prince asked earlier. He was saying he wasn't confident in his hand reading and that he didn't have the stones to follow through on some plays. This is the same for me when compared to Nuts, but just on a very different level.

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To answer your question about Merge, it depends on which skin you are using. If you are using Carbon, I wouldn't trust any amount more than you could afford to lose. If it's Lock, you are probably fine keeping a large amount on there. I don't know a ton about the other skins, but haven't heard anything negative about them lately, only negative I have is for Carbon, whom I've just written my 7th e-mail to in the last two weeks of which none have received a response.
08-06-2011 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Marshall28
Geez, there is so much about this that is so bad. I'd suggest dropping down in stakes, or not playing for a while and spend a ton more time studying and watch lots of videos.

Sorry if this is harsh, but you lack understanding of very basic fundamentals, and I do have other advice I could give you, but whenever I have posted specifically about that in the past I have received infraction points and bans. Sorry.
rofl
08-06-2011 , 09:01 PM
Aside from talking over hands with fellow players who are as good ,if not, better than you. What poker books would you recommend that could really help my game overall? (i.e. Ranges, Balancing, and Game Dynamics). I recently acquired "Let there be Range", "Poker Blueprint", and "Easy Game". My ultimate goal, aside from winning more money, is having the ability to take my thinking to a higher level. What would you reccomend?
08-07-2011 , 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Marshall28
I'll never lead this flop with any holdings. The weakest hand I will value c/r is AJ and occasionally I won't even c/r that. Like if I were playing against someone like myself I would hate to deal with any kind of 3bet on this board unless I had the nuts. AT I think is a little too weak to c/r and JT is definitely too weak to c/r. So pretty much everything I'm holding here is c/c.

It's just too difficult to get multiple streets of value after c/r with even AJ here from any worse hands, most fold by the turn, sometimes I've even b/f this flop with a hand as strong as AT in the cbettors shoes.
Yeah this is pretty much what I thought so decided that against strong players I would c/c my entire continuing range, this just seemed a little odd but I think it's fine.
08-07-2011 , 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Marshall28
All this depends on whether the fish will call if I 4bet. Some of them will.

If the fish will never call the 4bet, I'll flat my entire range except AK I will 4bet and sometimes AQ I will 4bet because I prefer to take the pot down pre and I'm happy to apply additional pressure to the reg in the blinds who we are deep with.
Wont we be upset if we 4bet AK or AQ and have to fold to his 5bet? I would normally flat both of these hands because i dont want to waste them when i could have made a +ev preflop call. I also dont expect people to be calling too many 4bets OOP imo
08-07-2011 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by scotchm
Aside from talking over hands with fellow players who are as good ,if not, better than you. What poker books would you recommend that could really help my game overall? (i.e. Ranges, Balancing, and Game Dynamics). I recently acquired "Let there be Range", "Poker Blueprint", and "Easy Game". My ultimate goal, aside from winning more money, is having the ability to take my thinking to a higher level. What would you reccomend?
I've read parts of Easy Game and thought it was by far the best piece of writing I've read on poker. I've never read the others, though I'm pretty sure CTS only wrote a chapter or two of Let There be Range. In general, I don't recommend reading about poker to learn. The only things I would advise anyone to read would be specific wells. You really don't need to ever buy anything published because there is so much already written on these forums if you just start sifting through it and know where to look.

One thing you could do is just a search on all posts made by a certain player.
08-07-2011 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Banimal
Wont we be upset if we 4bet AK or AQ and have to fold to his 5bet? I would normally flat both of these hands because i dont want to waste them when i could have made a +ev preflop call. I also dont expect people to be calling too many 4bets OOP imo
I was under the impression we were in position on the reg, but OOP against the fish. Maybe I was wrong?

I remember Sauce123 saying something about how we should never worry about our opponent having AA or KK when we hold AK because the percentage of times they are able to have it due to card removal is just too small. I trust Sauce's word.

In any case, if you get 5bet and are assuming it's from a value hand, your AK is in such bad shape that seeing a flop would only hurt you in that if you flop a pair against AA you will be losing your stack. If you think your opponent is pretty much ever capable of 5bet bluffing you here then you certainly have a profitable 6bet because of all the dead money you take down when he folds.
08-07-2011 , 09:02 AM
Thanks for the advice. My only real worry is that all this information I am learning may not be properly applied down the road when I am actually at a table. I would be interested in coaching but I am unsure of how long online poker will be open to U.S. players now that Bodog annouced they will not being offering their site site to us at the end of the year.
08-07-2011 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by scotchm
Thanks for the advice. My only real worry is that all this information I am learning may not be properly applied down the road when I am actually at a table. I would be interested in coaching but I am unsure of how long online poker will be open to U.S. players now that Bodog annouced they will not being offering their site site to us at the end of the year.
You are misinformed regarding Bodog.

The original post in NVG was worded in a way that made it appear they will be shutting down to US customers, but it was just a mistake.

The news was that they will be changing their branding--meaning they won't be using the Bodog name anymore and likely will have different software.

They still will be serving US players.
08-07-2011 , 02:56 PM
Marshall - thanks for doing this. A lot of good info in this thread.

Against regs who you play against often do you ever make marginal to slightly losing ev plays in isolated spots to widen your perceived range and to make you 'tougher' to play against. For example, c/r & stack off for 100bbs on Q72r with KQ / J52 with KJ where you rep little.

If you stack off on these type of flops for light value then it can allow you to credibly c/r bluff these flops in the future. Basically making a small -ev play in one spot may allow you to make more small +ev spots in the future. Also the reg may even stack off with worse just based on the fact that you have few perceived value hands in your range.
08-07-2011 , 09:59 PM
Thanks a lot for this thread, its been informative and interesting.
08-08-2011 , 01:12 AM
In light of this new evidence regarding girahh being a cheater and an at best marginal mid stakes player on merge, I thought I should redraw up my list of my top 5 opponents on the Merge network.

And those would definitively be: linecrusher, RomeOagogo, MacDaddy34, KingDan, and URNOTINDNGR
08-08-2011 , 01:19 AM
how do you feel about girahs video? do you still think the content is good?
08-08-2011 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by AshleyC
Marshall - thanks for doing this. A lot of good info in this thread.

Against regs who you play against often do you ever make marginal to slightly losing ev plays in isolated spots to widen your perceived range and to make you 'tougher' to play against. For example, c/r & stack off for 100bbs on Q72r with KQ / J52 with KJ where you rep little.

If you stack off on these type of flops for light value then it can allow you to credibly c/r bluff these flops in the future. Basically making a small -ev play in one spot may allow you to make more small +ev spots in the future. Also the reg may even stack off with worse just based on the fact that you have few perceived value hands in your range.
These types are tricky ones to pull off, and high variance because you never just know when your opponent has something he can go all the way with, and since your line expects to induce from him a lot, sometimes you'll be inducing and he'll just have it.

If you c/r KQ on Q72r you need to expect your opponent to flat or 3bet you. If he 3bets you, your play is to press call and to just keep pressing call if he bets. If he just flats your c/r you need to check the turn to him to try to induce him to float you there, and as he bets you need to just keep pressing call--and like I said, sometimes he'll just have it.

There are other ways to use slightly minus ev situations in order to gain future EV, but I don't do many of them because of all the different things you are forced to keep in your head about specific ways you played specific hands against a specific opponent, then you have to recognize when those spots come up again so that you can then implement your plan to gain some EV based off that original thought. What I'm trying to get across here is it's a lot of balancing back and forth and remembering of super specific scenarios and how to respond to each person differently. It's very hard to pull off and I wouldn't recommend trying it unless you felt confident this is something that you could do.

---btw, this post was written while on ambien, so take it for what it's worth. I'll double check it in the morning to make sure it makes sense.
08-08-2011 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by african princee
how do you feel about girahs video? do you still think the content is good?
Yes the content of it is still above average. AEJones said he didn't like it, but he is basing the video off of the content he expects to see from someone like Jungleman or Quereshi. The video isn't as good as similar videos put up by guys considered to be among their skill level. For your purposes and mine it was still an excellent video.

I do have some doubts whether it was actually his video at all though as it sounded completely scripted which could mean Haseeb drew up the whole presentation for him and gave him queue cards to read. I'm just speculating on this though.
08-08-2011 , 01:50 AM
top 10?

surprised bigguy didn't make it up there but in your video you said you didn't think that highly of him

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Originally Posted by Marshall28
wat?
similar in ways that you should always be looking to see who acts behind you before you make a decision to flat/3bet/fold
08-08-2011 , 10:32 AM
How should a player who starts at 50NL that has the goal of moving up to and beating 1kNL eventually procede to maximize his chances of reaching said goal?

Assume said player has about 5h of time to invest in poker/day on average which is for both playing time, studying etc.
The player has some ok but not great understanding of poker in general let's say he's currently capeable of beating 50NL but not for much.

Should he multitable (8-12 tables) which would possibly provide a better hourly and allow him to move up quicker untill he hits a plateau or should he play fewer tables (4-6 maybe) and really concentrate on all decisions which would presumably pay off more in the long run?

Would your recommendation change if said player only had 3h/day?

I'm asking because I have some friends who play occasionally and I'd say they do beat 50NL with the knowledge they have gathered over the last year or so and they concider investing more time and taking poker more seriously. The 5h example would be a university student and the 3h (possibly even 2h) would be someone with a full time job.

Also I guess the same question could apply to myself. How valuable do you think it is to play less tables and try to make sure you play your A+ game each and every hand is for someone who's beating small stakes at a decent clip 10 tabling. I know I can play a lot better if I play about 4 tables but I'm not sure how long it would take me to make more money by moving up/getting better vs losing quite some money due to playing less tables.
08-08-2011 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH
top 10?

surprised bigguy didn't make it up there but in your video you said you didn't think that highly of him
hmmmm.

Bigguy is a HU player. But yes I think he's good, just not as good as the guys I already listed if you are including 6m.

Top 10 would include the guys I've already listed, plus...hmmmm...not in any particular order, just off the top of my head....

allinsean, bigguy, I have to put myself somewhere around here, Dario ... I really haven't played 5/10+ on Merge in like 2 months so there are some new faces who's game I don't have that great of a handle on.

There's just a bunch of guys I could fit in the next couple spots because i think they are so similarly skilled. Megabet, Cog1tus, Nujabes, Nooperton, JammyJenny, I dunno who else, I might be leaving somebody out. I'd guess this is probably pretty close to reality though.
08-08-2011 , 11:49 AM
I hope this question makes sense but when youre reviewing a HH vs an unknown, and youre trying to construct an optimal range whats the first assumption you make: your own value range or villain's calling range?

I mean theyre such fluid ranges depending on what level ur both on ( like if u 3barrel a board where a flush draw bricks off you might get a call from A high or you might get a fold from 2nd pair), so whats the starting point for deciding which hands u can value bet?
08-08-2011 , 04:55 PM
Is merge nl50-100 HU/6max action good? How big winrate would you think its achieveble there?

      
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