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08-05-2011 , 06:57 AM
Do you think 6max players should learn hu?
If so, how good of a 6max player should they be before starting to learn hu?
08-05-2011 , 07:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirwanda
Just curious, would you ever consider folding river against BB, a 59/30 fish who is agressive postflop and hates to fold (considering the price we get). To give you a feel, he has stabbed every missed CB in single raised pots so far (100%) but folded the few times he's been c/r'd. He has close to 100% cbet himself and fires any board if he's PFR, even multiway pots. I only think I've seen him fold to flop cbet a few times out of dozens of opportunities.

Anyway it just feels like I'm never ever good here all the times I've been in this spot.


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
Hero ($134)
BB ($406)
UTG ($84.40)
UTG+1 ($49.34)
CO ($129)
BTN ($132)

Dealt to Hero A K

fold, UTG+1 raises to $2, fold, fold, Hero raises to $9, BB calls $8, UTG+1 calls $7

FLOP ($27) K 4 Q

Hero bets $25.75, BB calls $25.75, UTG+1 folds

TURN ($78.50) K 4 Q 9

Hero bets $58.87, BB raises to $371 (AI), Hero calls $40.90 (AI)



HH's probably isn't the purpose of this thread, but just wanna know what you think about it.
Geez, there is so much about this that is so bad. I'd suggest dropping down in stakes, or not playing for a while and spend a ton more time studying and watch lots of videos.

Sorry if this is harsh, but you lack understanding of very basic fundamentals, and I do have other advice I could give you, but whenever I have posted specifically about that in the past I have received infraction points and bans. Sorry.
08-05-2011 , 07:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by african princee
Do you think 6max players should learn hu?
If so, how good of a 6max player should they be before starting to learn hu?
Yes, learning HU will rapidly increase your overall skill. Most specifically pertaining to hand reading. I don't think you need any 6max experience to start learning HU.
08-05-2011 , 07:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshall28
Geez, there is so much about this that is so bad. I'd suggest dropping down in stakes, or not playing for a while and spend a ton more time studying and watch lots of videos.

Sorry if this is harsh, but you lack understanding of very basic fundamentals, and I do have other advice I could give you, but whenever I have posted specifically about that in the past I have received infraction points and bans. Sorry.
Wow, that was harsh, I'm actually not even playing at these stakes (I play 1/2 but followed a fish to this table) and without wanting to get flamed or whatever here I am beating 1/2 at 5bb/100 over 130k hands so I don't think I'll be moving down anytime soon.

Anyway, maybe that's why I was so careless because I was playing lower, dunno. But perhaps you could give some pointers as to why you think it's so bad, I decide to go very heavy on value when I flop good against someone who hates to fold?
08-05-2011 , 07:36 AM
Why you getting so defensive nirwanda maybe you should be happy that marshall gives you an honest opinion thats going to improve your game.
08-05-2011 , 07:39 AM
Yeah, but just telling me to move down without giving any specifics whatsoever isn't exactly helpful.
08-05-2011 , 07:40 AM
Hey dude, I wasn't trying to personally attack or flame you or anything. In case you haven't noticed I'm just really blunt and honest with most of my responses.

Like I said, I don't want to go into detail about this because it is very beginner type stuff, but don't bet >half your remaining stack then consider folding. Ever. This reminds me of something I've seen Phil Laak do, lol.
08-05-2011 , 07:45 AM
Fair enough. I was going for max value against his Kx and Qx type of hands which I know is never folding flop/turn. I realize now that my betsizing is actually way off since it leaves akward sizing for the later streets. I was mainly curious about my turn decision though, but I guess you've answered that now (NEVER FOLD!)

But oh well, let's leave it at that.
08-05-2011 , 12:48 PM
You mentioned capped ranges earlier. Can you expand on this a bit?
08-05-2011 , 03:35 PM
About nirwandas hand, why not bet > half stack on the turn if he is good 90% and will get called by worse a lot (including draws I would guess), instead of betting smaller and having the river bring flush or 4 to a straight and the aggro donk lead shoving psb? And if sometimes when the fish raises it's gonna be a tough spot so what? Why not even shove the turn for ~1.2x pot?
08-05-2011 , 04:11 PM
Thanks for the advice Marshall. I guess the main point of your advice is, whatever the style your opponent plays, most of the time play not entirely opposite but definitely differently from your opponent. ie. Loose/passive, play tighter/aggro. Loose/aggro/drooler/, tighter/a little more passive since the player is so aggro, ABC player, make more semibluffs/aggro. If you're in San Diego still and you ever come up to the OC or LA area hit me up.
08-05-2011 , 05:19 PM
I raise in MP to 3x and you flat the BB. Flop comes AJTr, what's your overall game-plan in this spot? Are you c/r'ing much and with which hands? Are you ever leading? etc.

Let's say I am opening a standard range of ~21% from MP at this table and I cbet about the right amount.
08-05-2011 , 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshall28
Geez, there is so much about this that is so bad. I'd suggest dropping down in stakes, or not playing for a while and spend a ton more time studying and watch lots of videos.

Sorry if this is harsh, but you lack understanding of very basic fundamentals, and I do have other advice I could give you, but whenever I have posted specifically about that in the past I have received infraction points and bans. Sorry.
what a terrible response.
08-05-2011 , 05:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshall28
I'm honestly not sure what I wrote that broke the rules and got me banned the second time around. Both times I was banned were posts I made while on Ambien, and I know I do get quite wacky when that stuff is in my system. I'll try not to make anymore posts when on Ambien in the future.

If we are going to keep this thread alive though I'd like to encourage you guys to try to come up with questions that are a bit more interesting for me to answer.

An example of an interesting question would be like the one about the different kinds of multi-tablers, or about the differences between particular players. Or anything that promotes more out-of-the-box type thinking.
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08-05-2011 , 05:49 PM
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08-05-2011 , 05:56 PM
100nl 6m game, effective stacks are you (300bb), button: 60/20 drooler (150bb) and BB: winning reg, plays 20/17 (300bb)

you open 3x UTG, folds to BTN fish who calls (SB folds), reg in BB 3-bets to 15x.

1. what are your flatting and 4-betting ranges here if reg has 10% 3bet? what are they if he has 5% 3bet? (i'm assuming fish always calls if we call)

2. let's say vs this particular reg you're not happy getting allin pre for 300 bb's with anything besides AA. would it be ok to just not have a 4-betting range here?
08-05-2011 , 06:09 PM
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08-05-2011 , 06:15 PM
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08-05-2011 , 06:16 PM
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08-05-2011 , 06:17 PM
how much skill difference do you think there is between the best 5/10 regs and guys like jungleman/durrr/galfond etc? i'm under the impression that the big nosebleed winners are better of course, but only slightly, and the main difference is willingness to take shots and running good at the right time.

would you agree with this or am i not giving the nosebleed heros enough credit?

how safe do you think it is to have significant funds on Merge for the medium-longish term future (say, 6-12 months)? the CEO guy seems legit but business is business, bodog shutting off US players kind of has me wondering.. kind of a vague question but answer however you like.

Last edited by SonOfGod; 08-05-2011 at 06:26 PM.
08-05-2011 , 09:08 PM
some one told me that if a 1/2 player stepped into a 5/10 game he would get destroyed over time because he's so unbalanced.
What parts of his game would be the most unbalanced and how can i use this information to exploit people at .5/1 and 1/2.
08-06-2011 , 07:29 AM
We're playing against a villain we know/assume to be a strong player but we don't really have a read on him (i.e. we're shottaking and know he's been crushing these stakes or whatever) and are the BB. Overall we know/expect he's a TAGy type of player.

Said villain opens OTB with what we can only assume is a wideish range. We hold AQo and decide to flat since we don't really know how he reacts to 3bets and how he plays in 3bet pots.
The reasoning for calling isn't really this though because after all we can't be too sure how he plays in single raised pots either but overall we don't think it's horrible to flat a strong hand and strengthen our BB-defend range anyways...

We get to showdown on Q2382 rainbow by check/calling the flop and villain checking back turn and valuebetting TT on the river (we check/call river)

If we know he's a thinking player, what assumptions should we make about his adjustments after this hand?

Should we bluff less in 3bet pots on Qxx boards untill we've shown down AQ in a 3bet pot (I'd usually 3bet AQ the next time in these spots and obviously go for 3 streets on Q high boards) because he'll take AQ out of our 3betting range?
Will he think that we are polarized to stronger than TPGK and bluffs if we CR rivers or dry flops in the future (and thus we'd either CR flop or if we get to the river in the same hand again we could CR for value since we know he'll valuebet somewhat lightish and might call quite a bit since he expects us to be more polarized)

Also let's say the flop was Q93 with a flushdraw, is a CR mandatory now? Would you CR it on the dryer first board as well because "AQ is somewhat of a hidden hand for us and we can get called down lighter because he may discount it"?
Would you rather not have a CR range at all (unless villain just lets us get away with murder) on boards where we can't rep all that much or would you rather widen the value range i.e. include KQ and if we're called light Qx with worse kickers?

Would you CR bluff villain on the turn more often in the future because he checked back TT?

[I realize that's a bunch of questions in a pretty unstructured way but that's kind of what my thought process looks like, tried to relive a hand I played and rethink my thoughts]
08-06-2011 , 02:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by clowntable
We get to showdown on Q2382 rainbow by check/calling the flop and villain checking back turn and valuebetting TT on the river (we check/call river)
Not sure why you would ever ever ever play an underrepped TPTK BB v BU this passively against an unknown.
08-06-2011 , 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mojo6911
You mentioned capped ranges earlier. Can you expand on this a bit?
google: capped ranges.

You'll find out anything you'd want to know.
08-06-2011 , 04:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweir
I raise in MP to 3x and you flat the BB. Flop comes AJTr, what's your overall game-plan in this spot? Are you c/r'ing much and with which hands? Are you ever leading? etc.

Let's say I am opening a standard range of ~21% from MP at this table and I cbet about the right amount.
I'll never lead this flop with any holdings. The weakest hand I will value c/r is AJ and occasionally I won't even c/r that. Like if I were playing against someone like myself I would hate to deal with any kind of 3bet on this board unless I had the nuts. AT I think is a little too weak to c/r and JT is definitely too weak to c/r. So pretty much everything I'm holding here is c/c.

It's just too difficult to get multiple streets of value after c/r with even AJ here from any worse hands, most fold by the turn, sometimes I've even b/f this flop with a hand as strong as AT in the cbettors shoes.

      
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