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50z: KK in deep 5b pot 50z: KK in deep 5b pot

09-14-2015 , 06:21 PM
PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 262.1 BB
SB: 319.48 BB (VPIP: 24.73, PFR: 21.98, 3Bet Preflop: 7.09, Hands: 369)
BB: 203.78 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 23)
UTG: 103 BB (VPIP: 20.41, PFR: 16.91, 3Bet Preflop: 4.65, Hands: 353)
MP: 109.22 BB (VPIP: 30.26, PFR: 25.66, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 156)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.21, PFR: 15.23, 3Bet Preflop: 11.48, Hands: 155)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero raises to 21.5 BB, BB raises to 50 BB, Hero calls 28.5 BB

Flop: (100.5 BB, 2 players) 7 3 6
BB bets 56 BB

So ranges are obv narrow in this spot, debating with myself about jam vs flat.
How often do think people will show up here with QQ (or poorly played JJ) considering it's nl50?
If people do have QQ here often enough I guess we jamming here.
thoughts?
09-14-2015 , 07:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3betForFood
PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 262.1 BB
SB: 319.48 BB (VPIP: 24.73, PFR: 21.98, 3Bet Preflop: 7.09, Hands: 369)
BB: 203.78 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 23)
UTG: 103 BB (VPIP: 20.41, PFR: 16.91, 3Bet Preflop: 4.65, Hands: 353)
MP: 109.22 BB (VPIP: 30.26, PFR: 25.66, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 156)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.21, PFR: 15.23, 3Bet Preflop: 11.48, Hands: 155)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero raises to 21.5 BB, BB raises to 50 BB, Hero calls 28.5 BB

Flop: (100.5 BB, 2 players) 7 3 6
BB bets 56 BB

So ranges are obv narrow in this spot, debating with myself about jam vs flat.
How often do think people will show up here with QQ (or poorly played JJ) considering it's nl50?
If people do have QQ here often enough I guess we jamming here.
thoughts?
calling the 5-bet seems powerfull enough to slow him down.

he never has QQ here, only 1 combo of AK

fold.

you are playing a tagfish, that never 5-bet bluffed in his life ever.

edit: oh only 23 hands on him. ****ty spot, but i still fold
09-14-2015 , 07:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spewmachine
calling the 5-bet seems powerfull enough to slow him down.

he never has QQ here, only 1 combo of A50z: KK in deep 5b pot:K50z: KK in deep 5b pot:

fold.

you are playing a tagfish, that never 5-bet bluffed in his life ever.
If we fold on that flop why should we call the 5b? I mean it seems like in your eyes he only have AA so unless you set mine you just fold to the 5b(?)
Fwiw I do think he has (not too often obv) bluffs otf that's why I wana call instead of jam over.
09-14-2015 , 07:51 PM
you call to slow him down.

if you call that 5-bet he will c/f if he was bluffing. at least 90% of the NL50 population will.

he will never show you QQ btw.

but: if you continue just shove, if you had 50$ more behind you could call.
09-14-2015 , 09:14 PM
people just don't 5b QQ that often,
his sizing 5b is pretty meh. flop sizing is meh too.

don't think you should jam the flop despite not having Kd, just call and probably call any turn
gotta lose that money,
09-16-2015 , 09:01 AM
Its never a jam for sure, Its either call flop call off OTT and lose money most likely or fold flop and just be sad, maybe 1 time its AK but most likely like people say its just gonna be AA
09-18-2015 , 05:18 AM
If you flat the 5bet with AA (I think you should flat your whole continuance range here), I guess frequency wise you can call flop fold turn.

In practice I agree we can probably just fold the flop, a 5bet this deep + 1/2 pot cbet = always the nuts.

      
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