Hi, sry for random noob question but, just saw a hand in hem where i folded AK OTB vs SB i had large sample on 3betting 4%. I was a bit confused and did some math, and it came out to someone needing 6% 3bet if they only felt JJ+/AK(which tighter players will). Is this right? seems kinda high to me.

dont understand the question

You should have called.

Hmm, ill find the hand:
Villain is 21/14 over 1.7k hands with CO 3bet: 3%, SB 3bet 4%.

$100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

BB: $54.89
Hero (UTG): $124.69
CO: $100.00
BTN: $258.42
SB: $111.93

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to $3.50, CO raises to $12, 3 folds, Hero

$100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

UTG: $190.74
CO: $100.00
Hero (BTN): $119.93
SB: $100.00
BB: $283.09

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with A K
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB raises to $10, 2 folds

My fold equity calculation needed villain to fold 54% of the time with the equity AK has when 4bet shoving vs JJ+/AK(im guessing 4% is that some 3bet/folds. JJ+/AK is 40 combos+ another 40 combos bet/fold comes to 6% of hands which seems a little high, i though u could 4bet/call AK at around 4-5% 3bet :-\

You don't have to 4bet.

hand 1 i fold given stats and meh marginal spot

hand 2) flat or 4/call are both good

I guess not, but won't calling be -EV if 4betting is? Ill just be giving up if i miss and run into AA/KK/AK on K or Ahi flop if get more action than a cbet, possibly AQ.

Ah, i think he's prob got more than 4% vs BTN, i keep forgetting it's not vs every possition. Ty both.

you shouldnt be giving up everytime you miss

this right here sums it up quite nicely. you're not quitting every time you miss. in addition you're playing a pot in position where villain will probably play fairly straight forward since it's 3b.

however, with that said, i'd still 4b and get it in. with AKs i guess you could just call, but if i had AKos in hand 2 i'd just 4b and get it in. hand 1 is kind of a meh spot against villain with those stats. i can see a fold being okay. depends a little on the types of players in the blinds and the btn, though. there seems to be a wide gap between his numbers and he might be the type to flat bigger hands if there are fish in the blinds or if there are squeeze monkeys in the blinds etc. or he could just be the type to play hands IP. i'd need more information.

I think this is a case of looking too much into stats. Stats don't tell you if a player is on tilt, or mixing it up, or has changed his game. I can't tell you how many times I've seen players with extremely tight stats do something I would never think they would. It's just never really a mistake to get it in 100bb deep, and at the very least you can flat profitably.

I remember one guy I had at 3% 3 bet well over 1k hands, and he 3 bet me when I had AK and I almost folded. Then I 4 bet and he shoved and showed up with AT.

and i believe yours is a case of dwelling too much on one experience. you also neglect to say your relative positions etc. those matter.

fold hand 1
call hand 2

Def agree with hand 2, calling is better than 4b or fold.

Hand 1 could be a call or fold I think.