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400NL: BvB 140BB deep oop, turn play how's my line? 400NL: BvB 140BB deep oop, turn play how's my line?

12-12-2008 , 08:22 AM
I know this should belong in MSNL but I'm a SSNLer and I feel more comfortable posting this here for now.

Villain and I have no history I know hes a decent reg , he played with me before and prolly views me as a LAG with some spewy tendencies. Villain is on the TAGish side.

How's my line, thoughts on flop/turn play ?

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG andrecorneli ($131.55)
CO damainevent ($785.00)
BTN HighNetWorth ($773.00)
SB Hero ($545.00)
BB janetlee123 ($653.50)

Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is SB A T
1 fold, damainevent says "highnetworth", 2 folds, Hero raises to $12, damainevent says "he got a funny name", janetlee123 calls $8

Flop: 6 8 9 ($24, 2 players)
Hero bets $16, janetlee123 raises to $52, Hero calls $36

Turn: Q ($128, 2 players)
damainevent says "i guarente i am worh more", damainevent says "and when u slowroll", Hero checks, damainevent says "boat v boat", damainevent says "u r scum", janetlee123 bets $108, Hero raises to $264, janetlee123 goes all-in $589.50, $217 to Hero ($217)? -- hero calls obv...
12-12-2008 , 08:30 AM
fold flop?
12-12-2008 , 08:38 AM
i fold flop too.

as played i dont like your turn c/r size. it leaves you in a bad spot if he flats and you brick. i much prefer a c/shove.
12-12-2008 , 09:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bubaloo
fold flop?
Such a folding station. +1 though.
12-12-2008 , 09:19 AM
I think folding the flop is the best move instead of calling the c/r OOP. It's very difficult to get paid if you hit your 7, and you're not sure of where you stand if you hit your A or T on the turn. Given the action, I think you have to c/r AI, otherwise you're left with a half pot bet on the river if you actually miss your outs on the river. Flat calling the turn is bad since you're not going to get paid if you hit your 7 or J.
12-12-2008 , 09:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerIsLife
.... instead of calling the c/r OOP.
I lol'd
12-12-2008 , 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skibbel
I lol'd
I'm interested in hearing why your LOL'd...
12-12-2008 , 01:01 PM
I always call check/raises OOP too
12-12-2008 , 01:17 PM
fold flop/push turn
12-12-2008 , 01:31 PM
The flop should probably be 3-bet or folded, folding the majority of the time. Turn is pretty spew because hes almost never folding to your c/r. You should c/c because you pretty much are getting direct odds to call anyway and a spade is WINNNNNNN STACKKK.
12-12-2008 , 03:25 PM
You got your image right, now stop spewing. Bet/fold flop imo.
12-12-2008 , 07:08 PM
ok , thanks, how about if I had J T ?
12-12-2008 , 07:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skibbel
I always call check/raises OOP too
that was funny
12-12-2008 , 09:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aseHigh
ok , thanks, how about if I had J T ?
c/r turn, you can freeroll him very easily and he will b/c his sets most of the time.
12-12-2008 , 09:56 PM
I'm so slow, I finally understand why you laughed at my response. I've been thinking about skibbel's response all day. Man, I need a life...
12-12-2008 , 10:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aseHigh
ok , thanks, how about if I had J T ?
Then you can kind of bet/call the flop and turn a straight, I guess? Stacksizes are really bad to shove/get it in on the flop, so yeah. I'd probably just bet/call and stuff.

I'd much rather prefer to have some sort of nutty draw to go with the hand if I'm going to make a play later in the hand. JT, QT, QJ or like some sort of pair + open ended draw with a suit and actually make a semibluff with some equity, so you don't have to rely as much on fold equity. AT only has the 7 to spike on the flop, and I wouldn't be really comfortable knowing that I can't really hit a disguised gin card or something. With like 87 or something, you actually have a good amount of equity when you get it in on the turn, unless he has JT exactly, and even then, you're not screwed.

AT is not the best hand to go ape with, I think. I wouldn't mind it if you had like T9 or so, just because hitting trips or two pair could be good some % of the time.

I'm rambling, but I hope you see where I'm going with the ramble.
12-12-2008 , 10:06 PM
this hand basically shows why so much money goes from 200nl fish to 200nl regs to 400nl regs

wtf you can't win every ****ing hand
12-12-2008 , 10:52 PM
Wow flop sucks but turn is horrendous. I can't think of one hand you're repping... 10J or QQ? That's about it. Sure, call, and then he'll never give you respect again.

/harshness... sorry

      
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