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200NL NIT FOLD? 200NL NIT FOLD?

02-10-2010 , 03:03 PM
Villain seems to be a decent player is a 21/15/1.6 my image in the table was very nitty and im sure e his aware of that.in that time i put him in a set of JJ or TT and folded to is "value bet".
what ranges do you put villain in?and do you guys think c/r river using my nitty image is a good line?


$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Bluff2me ($473.20)
CO Mythbusterrrr ($726.80)
BTN JUMPHER ($352.45)
SB glory4evah ($629.90)
BB Hero ($493.80)

Pre-Flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is BB K K
Bluff2me raises to $7, 2 folds, glory4evah calls $6, Hero raises to $28, Bluff2me calls $21, glory4evah calls $21

Flop: 7 9 J ($84, 3 players)
glory4evah checks, Hero checks, Bluff2me checks

Turn: 2 ($84, 3 players)
glory4evah checks, Hero bets $50, Bluff2me calls $50, glory4evah folds

River: 10 ($184, 2 players)
Hero checks, Bluff2me bets $126, Hero folds

Final Pot: $310

Bluff2me wins $307 (net +$103)

glory4evah lost $28
Hero lost $78
02-10-2010 , 03:40 PM
Checking this flop is really bad. You need to bet it for value and to protect. Even though you've underrepped your hand the board is so coordinated by the river that TPTK is at the bottom of his value betting range so folding is probably fine given that most of his range is going to be 2pair or better hands.
02-10-2010 , 03:47 PM
the board is pretty coordinated, so it's not a bad fold, but betting the folp would have made your decision easier on later streets.
02-10-2010 , 03:58 PM
i think you should just bet/fold the flop
02-10-2010 , 04:40 PM
Quote:
i think you should just bet/fold the flop
and check fold turn if called?
02-10-2010 , 04:59 PM
b/f flop, b/f turn, ship river. People play flush draws fast in 3 bet pots so that can be discounted heavily. Checking the flop is terrible you want to get max value.
02-10-2010 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by razz321
the board is pretty coordinated, so it's not a bad fold, but betting the folp would have made your decision easier on later streets.
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02-10-2010 , 06:15 PM
I like flop check.

is b/f river bad?
02-10-2010 , 07:11 PM
b/f is awful imo because it's obvious you are betting silver thin. Flop check is so-so, too.
02-10-2010 , 07:22 PM
floundering.......
02-10-2010 , 07:29 PM
bet the flop, bet fold turn, bet fold river

He never has JJ in this spot and almost never has TT in my opinion
02-10-2010 , 08:26 PM
didnt bet the flop to control the size of the pot.the plan on the turn was b/f. In the river i think i can only beat a bluff unless is value betting something like QQ wich i dont think so.
02-10-2010 , 08:30 PM
I would definitely bet the flop, definitely b/f the turn. If that river hit I probably ship the rest as a bluff. If I check that river I will fold to every bet because villain probably wont bet with less than 2 pair on that very coordinated board.

Im petty sure so deep I'll win the pot very often by just shoving the river so i dont mind turning KK into a bluff to make the hand easier to play not to mention I think given the board texture he can have us beat very often with a set or two pair but not sold he cant call a shove so deep with those.
02-10-2010 , 09:23 PM
really, not betting the flop for pot control???? Then betting the turn basically turns your hand into a bluff maybe a flat from TPTk. Since you didn't bet the flop you are basically hoping to get called down light by a villain who according to you is a nit and thinks you are a nit. Definitely need to c-bet a flop that wet three handed.

Im new here but pretty sure this was played incredibly weak, please correct me if i am wrong.
02-10-2010 , 09:33 PM
B/f flop seems best, I stoved a few shoving ranges and it doesn't look all that good. I think when you bet the flop if the original raiser folds and SB raises it becomes closer because he can call lighter preflop with the better odds. Still seems like a b/f tho
02-10-2010 , 09:45 PM
yeah i def b/f this flop, turn prob same.
02-10-2010 , 10:30 PM
wtf, noone noticing that you are 250 BB deep.

flop check is fine, everyone playing is deep enough to make some gamble moves here and your hand will play ultra ****ty if you face a raise. and i DONT want to be blown off the best hand.

check flop/bet turn/fold river is fine. esp w/o history.

i dont quite think its JJ/TT, lots of 2p combos betting thin when your hand is face up, 88, small flushes etc etc etc. i.e. villain should know that when you lead turn adn check river you dont have too much seeing as how you didnt bet the flop. granted he can scare you out of alot with this river card but a call here has to be -EV
02-10-2010 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lurkling
wtf, noone noticing that you are 250 BB deep.

flop check is fine, everyone playing is deep enough to make some gamble moves here and your hand will play ultra ****ty if you face a raise. and i DONT want to be blown off the best hand.

check flop/bet turn/fold river is fine. esp w/o history.

i dont quite think its JJ/TT, lots of 2p combos betting thin when your hand is face up, 88, small flushes etc etc etc. i.e. villain should know that when you lead turn adn check river you dont have too much seeing as how you didnt bet the flop. granted he can scare you out of alot with this river card but a call here has to be -EV
you are showing massive strength by betting into 3 people on this board, i doubt you are getting bluff raised very often at all to even be worried about it.
02-10-2010 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Into2ndWind
you are showing massive strength by betting into 3 people on this board, i doubt you are getting bluff raised very often at all to even be worried about it.
idk tho, i dont think glories hand is very strong since he was probably just calling for the ride after money went in the pot. so hero would only be leading INTO 1 player, and the SB folds out id say a majority of the time.

if i were villain and knew that hero continues on that flop with AJ, TT and overpairs, im gambling with him ON THE FLOP alot. either to flat flop/bet an ugly turn card, raise when i have a stronger combo (were deep enough where this puts Hero in a bad spot for future street betting), raising sets (for obvious reasons), and folding all else.

i would say follow through on a J92cc board or something similar, but J97cc seems to be too much in the, "i hate all turn cards range"

if hero gets flatted, he wont necessarily like a:
A
Q
J
T
9
8
7
6
5
club

so AT LEAST 25 cards out of 47 give us trouble, not to mention...

we have no Kc for any type of redraw and its 1 pair oop deep. if i were in position i could see arguments for betting but getting through to the turn/river when i need to isnt happening enough to justify making the pot bigger

      
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