€2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

Hero (UTG): €315.90
MP: €203.00
CO: €148.75 (VPIP/PFR/AF: 64/2/1, 56% fold-to-cbet over 56 hands)
BTN: €372.00
BTN: €0.00
BB: €110.10

BB posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (€3.00) Hero has Q A
Hero raises to €8.00, MP calls €8.00, CO calls €8.00, BTN calls €8.00, fold

Flop: (€35.00, 4 players) 9 Q 9
Hero bets €22.00, fold, CO calls €22.00, fold

Turn: (€79.00, 2 players) 6
Hero bets €54.00, CO calls €54.00

River: (€187.00, 2 players) K
Hero checks, CO bets €64.75 and is all-in, fold


Just want to check this looks standard... does it?

No particular history of note prior to this hand. Sucks to c/f to a less than halfpot bet on the river against a fish who isn't even fullstacked, but what do I beat? TJ got there, QK got there, even gutshots KJ and KT got there. Obviously any 9 is already there. With the flop being 4-way as well his range should be even stronger, and the river strengthens most of it except a few J8, T8 combos.

I don't give him credit for being able to turn J8/T8 into a bluff after I've shown such strength, or to valuebet worse (like the worse thing I can see him valueshoving is AQ) so I just folded. Good?

Obviously he can have random QX hands up to the river but I don't think he would shove them when checked to. I was getting ready to shove basically any river myself but I think that has got to be the worst river card I can think of because I can't think of any other river I'd c/f on.

I probably just sigh and stick the last 1/3 pot in myself but its a pretty gay river so don't mind your line.

I would just shove the river with the amount left, he has about every queen in his range as well as maybe some other pairs

Yeah I guess just shoving would be the more standard play to get value from QX... I just kinda soulread him for TJ or QK or something along those lines going to the river, so obviously the K spooked me.

I guess given how little he has left it might be a shove even against a range that mostly beats me... But still, as played is he really ever gonna shove worse here?

as played, fold is good b/c as you said he won't shove worse than AQ

overall I think it's close between c/f vs shove on the river. I'd probably shove though.

i'd probably pot control turn given this.

Difficult to pot control when you are oop and he can get it in with 2 tiny bets.

vs a 65/2 or whatever he is, surely we can get 3 streets

I think shove > C/F >>> C/C

hmm, he plays 64% of his hands so he will have a 9 around 8% (random hand%) on the flop. so you c bet into 4 players so even he should fold most of his hands. the only real possible draw on the flop got there also and he likely isnt capable of turning made hands into bluffs so easy fold on the river.

pretty much this. Vs a reasonable opponent I like your line, but this guy can have weaker Queens. Crap card, though.

What is his fold to to turn cbet, and aggression on the river, bet vs missed cbet stats? I think we can derive more information from his stats even if its a small sample size.


I like check folding but if there are any indications that he is passive except when vs missed cbet or checked to, I'd like a shove on the river more.

FWIW, I'd bet bigger vs a fish. 27-31 on the flop then 73 on the turn.

with stack sizes like they are i don't think this is necessary, we can still get stacks in easily on river. Plus we were 4 way on the flop.

What are we doing if we face a turn shove? it'd barely be more then a cib but i have a hard time believing he'd shove turn with a str8 draw or qx.

everyone s really optimistic here, before we bet the flop he s almost as likely to have a 9 as a q the way he plays and he does fold a lot to cbets, probably more in 4 way pots. what shall the fish put us on on the river to call with qt, qj or q6, hands that he d likely fold before?

fish doesn't pus us on a hand. He looks at he's cards and the board. Top pair is usually good enough for him

he plays somewhat fit or fold for a fish with station looking preflop stats

shove river.as played c/f is fine bcoz he will mosty check back a q but still call a shove with it.

this is very inaccurate and a bad habit to assume that just because of a preflop stat, there is very different kinds of bad 60/2 players. also a q isn t top pair anymore on the river.
you assume his range to be that of a smart player (who doesnt have a 9 often) and then assume he plays it like a mongoloid both are likely not true.

It's true that there are 60/2 players who don't pay off Q here, but they are few and far between. I'm gonna assume that he is is the kind of player that I described until proven otherwise. Also there are still more Queens in his range than nines.

given we have a queen the ratio of queens to nines of villain is probably like 1.5-1 on the flop here as he doesnt select preflop hands much.
you have to assume he always calls flop and turn with all queens which is maybe only 50% likely while him always calling with a 9 is 90% likely imo. then he can also have stupid draws which are now either nothing or have you beat that is not very likely but still a problem. i think you are not ahead more than 50% before the river bet here.
and it gets worse when we bet as assuming we get called by all queens is not correct again.

We don't need 50% equity vs his calling range for shoving to be the best play here.

so the fish will rise on the occasion and make a smart play by turning hands into bluffs here? not impossible but how likely do you think that is? i d have him calling with well below 50% worse here.

I think you played it well on all streets. River is close between betting and c/f.