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200NL: AQ Gets RR in 3-bet pot PF deep 200NL: AQ Gets RR in 3-bet pot PF deep

04-03-2008 , 03:38 PM
Plays 58/24 fish

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($203.20)
SB ($209.05)
Hero ($408.15)
UTG ($205.20)
MP ($322.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, Q.
1 fold, MP raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero raises to $28, MP calls $21.

Flop: ($59) K, A, K (2 players)
Hero bets $38, MP raises to $102 Hero dies a little bit inside
04-03-2008 , 03:45 PM
what hand would he have that has a king in at this point? if he has AK he would surely just smooth call that flop... KQ and KJ dont make much sense to me but depends how much of a fish he is. imo he has like AJ or something, depends if he the type of player who just lovvvves an ace. id probs shove i think.
04-03-2008 , 03:45 PM
yahh too deep gotta fold it sorry
04-03-2008 , 03:48 PM
He's a 58/24 fish so I don't really want to try to assign a logical range to him. He could have ATC.

How aggressive is he?
04-03-2008 , 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jackwilcox
what hand would he have that has a king in at this point? if he has AK he would surely just smooth call that flop... KQ and KJ dont make much sense to me but depends how much of a fish he is. imo he has like AJ or something, depends if he the type of player who just lovvvves an ace. id probs shove i think.
Why would you shove? What could he be calling with that we're ahead? I doubt he's calling a shove with AJ/A10

If he's aggro, I call flop and then go for crai on a non-heart turn.

I haven't played in a while, but I still think that's the best way to go.
04-03-2008 , 03:56 PM
I don't know why you'd alter your turn decision based on a heart. If a heart comes hero has the nut FD.
04-03-2008 , 03:59 PM
Aggro factor? How many hands you played together? what has he shown down? You need to give the complete picture Klior/SSNL every time you post.

If he wasn't a fish i'd probably check as i don't want to play a big pot with AQ in this spot. However seeing as he is a fish we can definitely get value from weaker Aces and flush draws and maybe even QQ etc that he can't let go of. However, once he raises just muck it.
04-03-2008 , 04:01 PM
total af 1.05. Calling raise?

Edit: sorry pureklas 60 hands, SD some limped trash hands. When he raises 8 I assumed he had atleast something. Don't really have that much else on him...
04-03-2008 , 04:03 PM
Definitely not calling a raise with a guy with a 1 aggro factor. In your reads Klior have you seen him raise anybody with flush draws/weak Aces/bluffs... I honestly doubt it.

Last edited by pureklas; 04-03-2008 at 04:15 PM. Reason: op changed last post
04-03-2008 , 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sondring
I don't know why you'd alter your turn decision based on a heart. If a heart comes hero has the nut FD.
Yeah, I thought about that too. I'd prob just call c/c on a heart turn, but maybe that's a bad call on my part.

Like I said, it's been a while since I've played on a regular basis. Maybe c/c on turn is too passive?
04-03-2008 , 04:18 PM
maybe im taking this a level too high, but bear with me.

i dont know why people are saying KQ/KJ are out of fish's range. just trying to think a step further, besides letting a random pair or A lo "catch up". what reason is there not to play a K, AK, AA fast here? (except that hero may stab a 2nd time on a bluff)?

think about it. the hands of hero's 3betting range which hit are AK, AA, AQ, AJ (maybe in range) otherwise were cbet folding QQ- on a flop like this and hes not going to get anymore action unless a miracle card hits. so unless hero is a double barreling fiend, i dont mind fastplaying something super strong here as AQ will likely shut down and the fish's hand eliminates most of your range.

just a leveling thought

ps. this flop is an action killer for most hands so instead of trying to get value from 2 or 3 streets someone could force it all into one. most likely you're not going to be betting out 3b-cbet AK/AA/KK there so a raise by someone would force you to make a mistake.

also i see villian is af=1.06, but bear with this for a more agressive opponent or yourself.

ppps. this is why i check the flop

      
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