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10-17-2008 , 06:47 PM
Pretty interesting hand I just played today. Villian is 16/12/3 standard weak passive. I'm playing 24/22/10 at this table but he probably has me looser, all i've been seen doing is isolating and pounding on the player to my right.

Preflop 3bet could very well be a misclick.

No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($209)
MP ($217)
Hero (CO) ($573.95)
Button ($307.65)
SB ($201)
BB ($692.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6, 7
2 folds, Hero raises $6, Button raises $10, 2 folds, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($23) 8, 3, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $16, Button calls $16

Turn: ($55) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $49, Button calls $49

River: ($153) J (2 players)
Hero bets $60, Button raises $232.65 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $273
10-17-2008 , 07:06 PM
I don't really understand why you bet the river. What else were you expecting to happen? I think a check fold or potentially a check call (if it's the right size) are in order.
10-17-2008 , 07:09 PM
this is a pretty bad river to bet. c/c or c/f
10-17-2008 , 07:28 PM
What's your plan on the flop if he raises your lead? 3bet all in? 3bet - how much? Call/fold? With the given stacksizes, I actually prefer check-raising this flop but it could be intresting to hear other thoughts on that.

On the river I think its better to bet more, maybe like 80-85. 60 looks just too weak, and you could have induced him to bluffshove river in this spot (but still you don't want to stack of here on the river with the suckerstraight). It would have been an easier fold if he pushed over your 80-85 bet on river.
Also think bet-fold is the best line on the river, he can definately call with something like JJ or JT, but I'm not shure he will bet hands like JT on the river if you intends to c/c. People like to make herocalls against aggro players.
10-17-2008 , 08:16 PM
Def bet the river, we never get bluff raised and he checks behind everything except a Queen so c/c is pointless. I think you played this well, my standard would be to c/c flop but whatever.
10-17-2008 , 08:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NicReynolds
Def bet the river, we never get bluff raised and he checks behind everything except a Queen so c/c is pointless. I think you played this well, my standard would be to c/c flop but whatever.
i disagree w/ almost everything here. seems like a good board to bluff raise given OP's sizing. he could easily turn one pair into a bluff on this board as well as bluffing w/ clubs if we check to him. c/c is by far the best option here imo.
10-17-2008 , 08:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NicReynolds
Def bet the river, we never get bluff raised and he checks behind everything except a Queen so c/c is pointless. I think you played this well, my standard would be to c/c flop but whatever.
wtf does he call with on a 4 straight board when every draw bricked. checking at least induces bluffs from missed draws
10-17-2008 , 08:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NicReynolds
Def bet the river, we never get bluff raised and he checks behind everything except a Queen so c/c is pointless. I think you played this well, my standard would be to c/c flop but whatever.
your thinking here is waaay off.
10-17-2008 , 09:06 PM
if flop was rainbow i prefer b/f but I preer cc most bet sizes here
10-17-2008 , 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blah-blah-blah
i disagree w/ almost everything here. seems like a good board to bluff raise given OP's sizing. he could easily turn one pair into a bluff on this board as well as bluffing w/ clubs if we check to him. c/c is by far the best option here imo.
Quote:
Originally Posted by grac
Villian is 16/12/3 standard weak passive.
B/f>>c/f>>c/c imo

These types play extremely straight forward.
10-17-2008 , 09:28 PM
I would c/c the flop and lead the turn as played.

If you bet the river like that you have to call most of the time because you induced a bluff shove but then this guy is such a nit he's not capable of turning hands into bluffs.

Really looks like he could have QQ here a lot
10-17-2008 , 11:17 PM
given the read i would c/f the river b/c

-- i don't think he will call you w/a single pair here, so a bet is really for value from 2pair, which he won't have very often
-- i think he checks behind every hand that is not a straight
10-17-2008 , 11:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blah-blah-blah
i disagree w/ almost everything here. seems like a good board to bluff raise given OP's sizing. he could easily turn one pair into a bluff on this board as well as bluffing w/ clubs if we check to him. c/c is by far the best option here imo.
16/12 over a lot of hands don't just come out shoving over block bets or bluffing this river when checked too. I was going to c/f this river as he checks behind everything not a straight, but decided to do what I did instead to try and get value from j10,j8,kk,aa,10j, even 89 he's that passive all in his range after the min3bet.

Someone said above 16/12 are very straightforward and I agree, if I am sure he is not turning worse hands into a bluff after the small river bet why can't I do it, has to be pretty close to the same as check folding. Q8c, QKc, and qq are the only queens in his range getting there with his line and so I think my hand is best here a lot of the time and will just go cc on the river. c/f > b/f> cc imo.

      
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