Villian is a tag he has a the supernova icon showing he is playing 19/14 9% 3bet vs steals

I expect him to 3bet AK 100% vs me and sometimes KQ

flop and turn maybe a little loose but he is repping very little value hands KQ and 77 and a ton of draws.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Hero (CO): $270.75
BTN: $20.00
SB: $19.00
BB: $101.50
UTG: $179.15

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with K J
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) K 7 Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB raises to $8, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($22.50) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $17, Hero calls $17

River: ($56.50) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $234

if you say he's repping KQ sets and draws then you beat everything else and he checked to you so now you are expecting villain to know that you know he has a monster and fold it-even tho is range includes JThh

you basically rep the nuts and only the nuts to make this play.

do you think supernova will recognize this even if he is multi tabling-does he know you?

he is just a multitabler probably doesnt pay attention much

then i kinda doubt he is folding-your line looks more like what it is then the nuts imo, any set=flush here for him, but maybe he just auto folds and moves on to next hand

Don't know where I heard it - but when you don't have a clue what's someone's range in a certain spot then don't run big bluff against him. I think this applies here. I usually check there.

very few good players will call/call/overpush with a flush-draw.

I mean, it depends on his view of you, but if he thinks you're a good player he's probably calling this

I'm sure he puts you on a flush here always, even when he suspects the bluff it won't matter because he put you on a FD the whole way and knows you won't turn TP into a bluff like this.

No wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy did he call that bet.

Well if you think his range is KQ, 77 and a "ton of draws", I would check back the river since lots of regs c/c here with KQ/77 etc using this line as a bluffcatcher however bad it sounds.

For this hand to be worth bluffing with, I think you need to know he's capable of folding 77 here because most guys aren't

Are you value betting or bluffing here? I don't really get it. A min raise on the flop will never get you off a flush draw, he must know this. What does he call with thats worse?

The most confusing part of this hand is his flop play - have you seen him check minraise before?

I feel like he isnt folding much better (esp since AK/KQ are 3bet usually - and why on earth play the flop with those hands like this) and he isnt calling much worse. I'd check riv almost always.

Why would ever turn a hand with insane showdownvalue to fold out 3 combos of sets? I'd strongly advice you to stop trying to outlevel everyone with overshoves, (like in that A9 hand)

by the way, if you felt the need to bluff on a 6 river to a check, why did you even call the turn?

uh, what flushes do you actually rep? 8xhh, 7xhh, AThh/AJhh that dont reraise flop? Your overbet looks really bluffy to anyone who can handread, too. If villain is a bad handreader and not apt to ever spaz herocall, this is good, and if villain is even remotely good this is awful.

Am I missing something here? You think he has mostly draws, so why the hell are you shoving this river? What is the point in risking $70 extra to win $8 from villain? Just unnecessary variance imo.

If has was paying attention, he would see this as a bluff.

If he had a FD he would bet river himself, villian is a typical standard tag

checkkkk, showdown value

I don't really care about VIP levels or hud stats. When somebody check minraises a KQ7hh board they're not a standard TAG. And sure it's dogmatic but it's also true: crushing $100 doesn't really involve getting people to fold 2pair+. I mean if he calls this river with KQ, it isn't because he decided your line or betsize were a little inconsistent, or because he figures you can have something like TJ/busted clubs/etc or anything like that. If he calls here with KQ, it's because he has KQ. If he somehow got here on this river with QTo it would play exactly the same against that range (ok with the minor impact of card removal on the T) but he'd insta fold it because it's QT. And here, if he tanks for a few seconds and then calls with KQ, it's because it's KQ. Simple as that. And it's that simplicity that makes plays like this FPS.

^^do you think these guy are more likely to auto call KQ or auto fold KQ. do you also assume KQ=sets baby flush too?

his minraise= monster. lets be honest. he is not folding

I don't see the point of shipping this river, if you are so crushed by his range (which doesn't really make much sense seeing he checked the river) that you can't check back and realize your showdown value then I don't see why you wouldn't just fold on the turn.

Edit: Flop minraises do not mean its a monster, not even close. If it was a turn minraise sure, but here it can be so much random trash.

I have no idea what this particular villain will auto call or fold with. The point is that people overvalue hand strength in a vacuum for no logical reason. Eg - in this hand for this villain QT might be a snap fold, KQ a decision, and 2h3h a snap call fist pump. That is completely illogical given what hero is repping, but it's what happens. So in general intentionally trying to get people to fold 2pair+ is just not a good idea because you're reaching deeper into that zone where people's absolute hand strength starts to be given more weight than logic and hand reading.

And maybe it's not even a particularly bad idea for them to play this way. I mean if hero has any bluffs on this river, which he obviously does, then it is possible villain should be calling some percentage of the time with hands that can beat bluffs but not much else. This of course depends on hero's bluff frequency. But if villain does call 100% of the time with bluff catchers then he will be easy to exploit as hero can observe him call with QTo (again using this hand as an example, in reality it's probably 0% of his range) and then on future action value bet incredibly thin for 1.5x pot. And if hero notices villain has never once called this river with anything short of the jack high flush then hero can on future action bluff villain easily whenever he checks in a spot where his range is likely capped.

So hand strength can work as a bluff catching frequency. I have no idea if this is the thought process your average villain is using when deciding to call in really strange spots with hands that have strong absolute value but close to no value against a villain's repped range. I don't think it is, but regardless they do it. And because of this, it's just not smart to try to bluff people off a certain level of absolute strength in hand value at SSNL. And in this instance, hero is explicitly attempting to bluff villain off 2pair+. It's not going to be a good idea.

you fold out AA,AK - that's all imho. checking is better

ya flop and turn are questionable imo there are merits in folding.




very good explanation TY

I check back the river just to see what a supernova is minraising that flop with, then adjust accordingly.