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06-27-2008 , 12:17 AM

throwfar

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The shortstacks were playing like 40+ vpip.

Raise the flop and try to iso vs. 1 of the shortstacks or flat and see if I can get the other shortstack involved? There is still a fullstack left to act.

$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

SB: $232.30
BB: $126.40
UTG: $79.50
MP: $58.00
Hero (CO): $100.00
BTN: $38.40

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with K

1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN calls $4.50, 1 fold, BB calls $3.50, MP calls $3.50

Flop: ($18.50) 2

(4 players)
BB checks, MP bets $18.50, Hero ?

06-27-2008 , 12:21 AM

Spierdalaj

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minraise

06-27-2008 , 12:40 AM

stupandaus

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Spierdalaj

minraise

wat?

Raise to 60 and get it in. Are you afraid of someone limp calling AK?

06-27-2008 , 12:51 AM

Hardball47

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I think this bet is enough to make it heads-up. I'd call, see what hits, and see what he does.

06-27-2008 , 12:53 AM

throwfar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stupandaus

wat?

Raise to 60 and get it in. Are you afraid of someone limp calling AK?

You mean AQ? I definitely wasn't worried about getting my money in vs the shortstacks...

If I make it 60, im committed even if BB spazzes out here... but my hand is likely best so I shouldnt worry about raising right?

06-27-2008 , 12:54 AM

stupandaus

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardball47

I think this bet is enough to make it heads-up. I'd call, see what hits, and see what he does.

Check stack sizes... MP has $35 behind. What are you accomplishing by letting a card peel then C/C or B that you won't get by just pushing him here? If the donk is committing with a worst Kx a 9x or even a flush draw, he's going to be calling all in here anyways.

06-27-2008 , 12:55 AM

stupandaus

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Quote:

Originally Posted by throwfar

I did mean AQ, my mistake. I just don't see the point of peeling a card here. They're so short behind that there's no point in letting the turn peel off imo. Are you planning on folding on some turns or something? Or checking down? What are you trying to achieve by this. Villain is committed to the hand already. Are you trying to develop/utilize some sort of metagame against a shortstacker?

06-27-2008 , 01:02 AM

throwfar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stupandaus

I guess my only reason here for just flatting is to allow another shortstack to do something stupid, like call, or raise with a worse hand. The BTN has like ~$35 behind after calling preflop. By raising I'm isolating against one shortstack whom I assume would be willing to get stacks in on most turns given how much of his stack has already been commited to the pot.

Raising is definitely a good option but is there any merit to these considerations I've mentioned above?

06-27-2008 , 01:03 AM

grando

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Spierdalaj

minraise

06-27-2008 , 01:05 AM

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mrh86

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Might as well just shove given stack sizes. Only thing you're slightly worried about is BB and you can't fold if you raise to any other amount anyway.

06-27-2008 , 01:07 AM

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Hardball47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stupandaus

There is a player behind. Normally of course you'd just put him in. I wouldn't mind having drawing hands call the bet behind here.

06-27-2008 , 01:17 AM

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stupandaus

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BB will have 15.4 behind if he calls. This I think is a different situation if these players are deeper for sure. However with this short of a stack, trying to push a minor edge from getting him to call with a worse hand/draw is pretty futile imo.

06-27-2008 , 01:24 AM

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Bushleague24

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i think you should just try to get it in. i'm not sure bb is going to go crazy enough to really have to worry about him but i may be wrong.

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