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100NL KQ in 3bet pot 100NL KQ in 3bet pot

10-27-2008 , 02:37 PM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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Hero (SB): $140.95
BB: $100.00
CO: $100.00
BTN: $104.65

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with Q K
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($24.00) K J 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($24.00) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $18, Hero calls $18

River: ($60.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $49, Hero folds

villan playing 40/40/inf over 10 hands at the table, no other reads... I figure its a blind battle and KQs is too good to fold here... Flop play is pretty bad imo, suggestions?
10-27-2008 , 02:40 PM
lead flop, get it in, or check/call and then check/fold turn since its an ace are both fine

i don't like calling turn readless because if you had an ace you would probably be leading turn once flop checks through, and since you are oop you will be checking river and most regs can just shove there.
10-27-2008 , 02:42 PM
Looks standard
10-27-2008 , 02:42 PM
pls bet at the flop! the preflop call is ok
10-27-2008 , 02:45 PM
Why are you people donking the flop, checking to the preflop raiser on a dry/hi card board is like poker 101, there are rare times when you do it but you certianly need a good reason for it and theres none here
10-27-2008 , 02:47 PM
I usually don't, just it is an option. We don't really want to check raise KQ here do we? I think donking looks weaker. I usually check/call. I figured in a 3 bet pot you are usually looking to get it in with KQ top pair, or you would fold pre.

Last edited by jaysu; 10-27-2008 at 02:55 PM.
10-27-2008 , 03:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysu
I usually don't, just it is an option. We don't really want to check raise KQ here do we? I think donking looks weaker. I usually check/call. I figured in a 3 bet pot you are usually looking to get it in with KQ top pair, or you would fold pre.
ditto. although donking the flop doesn't necessarily look weak. it looks REALLY weak on an Axx board, where you expect the pf raiser to cbet and are trying to prevent that from happening. the turned ace hits a lot of villain's range. stats are pretty key in this situation. could be a blind battle as previously stated if villain's loose, could be value betting Ax if villain's tight.
10-27-2008 , 03:12 PM
40/40? 10 hand sample or not, I 4 bet pf and call a push.
10-27-2008 , 04:43 PM
I think on a dry flop like this c/c > c/r > donk...
Well played.
10-27-2008 , 05:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chopchoi
40/40? 10 hand sample or not, I 4 bet pf and call a push.
Really?? I like OP's line.
10-27-2008 , 07:25 PM
I would prob fold turn. I think any air part of his range cbets this flop and he checks behind QQ, TT on turn. We also dont really know what outs are good.
10-27-2008 , 07:42 PM
I love when someone posts a hh where it's clearly best to c/c or c/r the flop and because it happened to check through the first 3 responses are 'lead flop!'...
10-27-2008 , 08:00 PM
lol i agree...

i don't think anyone would be advocating betting the flop if the turn was a not an A. sigh SSNL.
10-27-2008 , 09:41 PM
i think the flop play is fine. if we lead and get raised, are we bet/folding bc IMO i only see us being dominated if we get it in on the flop.

when the Ace turns, you have to call once, but i fold to his 2nd barrel on the river. i don't see him bluffing often enough with worse for this to warrant a call. villain checks back all worse kings, and even weak Aces.
10-28-2008 , 01:39 AM
Looks good.
10-28-2008 , 01:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TPTK77
i don't see him bluffing often enough with worse for this to warrant a call. villain checks back all worse kings, and even weak Aces.
not saying hero should call, but you realize that your reasoning makes a call better?
10-28-2008 , 02:02 AM
Wow, I have been getting bluff-raised in 3bet pots so often I can't imagine not betting this. Are you guys checking this flop with your whole range, or just when you hit?
10-28-2008 , 02:07 AM
Checking here with my whole range. I don't see any reason to donk out on this board. This is a super standard c/c or c/r.
10-28-2008 , 02:11 AM
Nevermind, I thought Hero was the one who 3bet. Yeah, checking is standard obv. I'd probably c/c flop, b/c turn.
10-28-2008 , 02:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NicReynolds
I would prob fold turn. I think any air part of his range cbets this flop and he checks behind QQ, TT on turn. We also dont really know what outs are good.
But does he really check behind A-high on the flop? I'd put that usually in the air department and think he is likely to cbet. It's a good board to do so and he es not ahead any PP.

That said without a read it's hard to figure out, what to do on turn. I'd prolly still call think he might turn 88/87 into a bluff, but as we dont know what his 3betting tendencies are, it's just speculation that this hands are in his range.

And I think c/c is the way to go on the flop. Leading seems readless not that good and I'm not really convinced that c/r is getting worse hands in as it is a flop, that could have definately hit us. We basically have to rely on QQ, if he'd bet that on the flop which I doubt.
10-28-2008 , 03:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly Caveat
Nevermind, I thought Hero was the one who 3bet. Yeah, checking is standard obv. I'd probably c/c flop, b/c turn.
I confused myself again. What I meant to say is I would c/c flop, b/c turn if the turn was a brick. With the ace I would check again.
10-28-2008 , 03:40 AM
OP played this hand good. Half of the responses are ******ed.
10-28-2008 , 04:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigmoney
OP played this hand good. Half of the responses are ******ed.
+1

      
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