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08-27-2014 , 02:11 PM
Hello guys,

I was contemplating the best river bluffcatching strategy here vs a villain who 3bets way too much (like 16% this dynamic) and snap-barrell scare cards nmw, without any balancing considerations. Pretty sure we need to call more than MDF given these reads, but the question is: among the borderline ones, which category you think is highest EV to bluffcatch with? Each one has different card removal effects we might consider, and our opponent river betting range is polarized with AK being at the bottom of its value.

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, €1.00 BB (6 handed)

Button (€100)
SB (€201.31)
BB (€167.18)
UTG (€80.65)
MP (€37.70)
Hero (CO) (€180.89)

Preflop: Hero is CO with either: [Q, A], [9, 9], [A, 3]
2 folds, Hero raises to €2.50, 1 fold, SB raises to €9, 1 fold, Hero calls €6.50

Flop: (€19) 4, 7, 3 (2 players)
SB bets €10.77, Hero calls €10.77

Turn: (€40.54) K (2 players)
SB bets €22.99, Hero calls €22.99

River: (€86.52) J (2 players)
SB bets €58.46, Hero calls €58.46
08-27-2014 , 03:36 PM
none of those hands beats anything
08-27-2014 , 04:58 PM
A3 is better than AQ. It (probably) removes more value hands from his range and can beat more bluffs. 99 beats even more bluffs but has zero removal. 99 has more bluff removal too though (no h like A3hh and no wheel blockers). I think call 99 > A3 > AQ.
08-27-2014 , 05:05 PM
AQ>A3>99
08-27-2014 , 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiffy
Hello guys,

I was contemplating the best river bluffcatching strategy here vs a villain who 3bets way too much (like 16% this dynamic) and snap-barrell scare cards nmw, without any balancing considerations.
To clarify does this mean villain is literally 3 barelling her entire 3betting range on this particular run out? (Garbage flop + scarecard turn + range neutral river card)?
08-27-2014 , 05:35 PM
I think it depends on villian but in my expierence those over aggro monkeys that 3b and barrel too much really don't know what they are doing and will 3barrel anything even bottom pair middle pair etc. So i think calling with A3 or AQ is spew because you will see stuff like 67 54 etc.

So by default 99 wins for me.
08-27-2014 , 05:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the real mg0698
I think it depends on villian but in my expierence those over aggro monkeys that 3b and barrel too much really don't know what they are doing and will 3barrel anything even bottom pair middle pair etc. So i think calling with A3 or AQ is spew because you will see stuff like 67 54 etc.

So by default 99 wins for me.
This was my thinking as well. Most absolute showdown value makes it the winner. I really like the question though so I may contribute some more ramblings later.
08-27-2014 , 07:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eoin16
none of those hands beats anything
They all beat bluffs, which is actually the point of the thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by just_grindin
To clarify does this mean villain is literally 3 barelling her entire 3betting range on this particular run out? (Garbage flop + scarecard turn + range neutral river card)?
Pretty sure he's going to triple ALL of his bluffs on this texture, without vbetting as thin as Jx (maybe KQ is in the range tho) As a results, I think we should call REALLY wide, considering that like mg0698 said, we're going to see weak sdv hands some % of the time
08-27-2014 , 07:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiffy
They all beat bluffs, which is actually the point of the thread.



Pretty sure he's going to triple ALL of his bluffs on this texture, without vbetting as thin as Jx (maybe KQ is in the range tho) As a results, I think we should call REALLY wide, considering that like mg0698 said, we're going to see weak sdv hands some % of the time
I think mg0698 was saying that Jx is certainly in villain's 3barrel range, just maybe not as much as weaker sdv hands.

      
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