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09-12-2010 , 10:04 AM

blackgerbil1

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15/13/12 with 6% 3bet over 137hands.

IPoker Network $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $27.00
BTN: $127.55
SB: $123.55
Hero (BB): $107.35
UTG: $106.50
MP: $128.75

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 9

1 fold, MP raises to $3, 3 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $4.00, Hero raises to $12

im raising folding here obz. and leading any turn.

09-12-2010 , 10:11 AM

ikestoys

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trying to make people fold overpairs is normally a very bad idea.... you have equity, why not call?

09-12-2010 , 10:26 AM

blackgerbil1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

trying to make people fold overpairs is normally a very bad idea.... you have equity, why not call?

I think they have a wider range then just overpairs, is c-c here a profitable play? if the turn bricks, its hard to call another bet. QKA on the turn we prob have to fold.

09-12-2010 , 10:27 AM

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackgerbil1

I think they have a wider range then just overpairs, is c-c here a profitable play? if the turn bricks, its hard to call another bet. QKA on the turn we prob have to fold.

if this type of villain is double barrelling, you're beat anyways. The only way a raise is good is if you think he's folding better, and I doubt that.

Also, depending on the villain, the cb range is pretty tight here.

09-12-2010 , 10:32 AM

blackgerbil1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Pic$ou

Turning your hand into a bluff when you probably have the best hand (AQ AK and underpair are a huge part of his range) is really the best thing you could do?

so calling here is better, and then folding to any DB unimproved is much better in the long run, because when we raise hes most likely gonna continue with AJ+?

i think even if they do have underpair or KQ/AT or w/e if a boardway card comes, they can easily barrel it as a semi bluff, I think raising flop and betting any turn, we can fold most of there range expect for twopairs+, based on the sample we have at the mo.

09-12-2010 , 10:54 AM

Into2ndWind

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c/r is fine, but i would prefer it vs someone with a wider opening range and thus marginal hands.

calling is fine too, i would fold to a blank turn against this villain though.

09-12-2010 , 11:17 AM

jackwilcox

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when u c/c here its not like he is just mindlessly going to double barrel since u will have a lot of Jx in your c/c range. plus a 15/13 probably isnt going to be the best postflop player in the world so id expect him to give up a lot when u call his cbet.

09-12-2010 , 11:32 AM

hating_uni

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I don't hate c/r if you're planning on firing turn + probably shoving river (assuming they're both blanks). Most of his hands which are strong enough to comfortably stack off here are three betting the flop on this board texture a lot, especially since this villain seems tight, straightforward and unimaginative.

c/c flop, c/f turn is probably better though.

Last edited by hating_uni; 09-12-2010 at 11:49 AM.

09-12-2010 , 11:44 AM

GOONERCAM

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seems an excuse to not having to fold to double barrels in spots where you should be but don't want to, doesn't seem to be any concrete reasoning behind it

09-12-2010 , 12:26 PM

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blackgerbil1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hating_uni

yeah pretty much what I think post hand, if the guy was more lagger i dont mind a c-r, but in this spot i think c-c hoping to get to SD is much better play vs this player.

09-12-2010 , 01:03 PM

#11

Rockka

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yea vs a nit here this is pretty dumb. 15/13 6% 3bet doesn't seem very aggro at all so he's not gona cbet the turn on a brick as a bluff so just c/c. On a board where u have an oesd though i'd be a lot better to c/r flop cuz then you prob could get him off an overpair by the turn/river and have 10 outs to go with it

09-12-2010 , 01:39 PM

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clownenround

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there's nothing wrong with c/cing twice or c/c, c/f. you could even lead if you're more comfortable with that, but it's probably a big mistake if he monkey cbets. in any case the c/r is kind of whatever, i think it's probably fine but i wouldn't continue on any turns unless i knew he was capable of folding.

09-12-2010 , 02:03 PM

#13

mcvalenc

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Your hand is definitely strong enough to call so I don't see what raising accomplishes. I'd like the raise better if you had 44 on a 632 board, since a nit can potentially bet/fold weak overpairs.

09-12-2010 , 02:09 PM

#14

PietjeK

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brilliant how you post only his vpip/pfr....... and 3bet% lol

09-12-2010 , 03:17 PM

#15

blackgerbil1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PietjeK

brilliant how you post only his vpip/pfr....... and 3bet% lol

what other things do you need, that are going to be meaningful over 138hands?

09-12-2010 , 06:08 PM

#16

mmac900

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Easy call flop and turn, no need to raise.

09-13-2010 , 04:11 AM

#17

BuddhaMonk187

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turn call is not easy at all.. he just has a incredibly tight range... I c/c flop and c/f most turns

09-13-2010 , 04:50 AM

#18

apo

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Yeah villain is a complete nit. c/c flop c/f turn is prob best without a better read. Actually it might be an interesting line to c/r flop and empty the clip to see if he folds overpairs often enough.

09-13-2010 , 01:03 PM

#19

Kalledrengen

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A read on his c-bet and double barrel tendencies would be nice. Many people often just c/f these kind of flops when they miss. So given a tight guy c-bets it I'd assume he somehow hit it.

I think c/c and semi-bluff are both okay here though.

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