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09-11-2014 , 05:14 PM
It's a hand i played month ago, don't remember reads, so I'm looking for more of a general guideline.
Flop std cbet.
OTT we would get value from A8 A7 and A5-A2. Flush draws (Kx, Qx). Possibly gut-shot (KQ KJ JQ) if he calls again.
So do you cbet this turn? As played do you xc river?

OnGame - $1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $38.24 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: $104.01 (VPIP: 21.03, PFR: 15.51, 3Bet Preflop: 8.16, Hands: 1,292)
Hero (CO): $100.00
BTN: $140.90 (VPIP: 22.46, PFR: 18.14, 3Bet Preflop: 4.48, Hands: 716)
SB: $128.72 (VPIP: 41.18, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 108)

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) Hero has A J

fold, Hero raises to $3.00, BTN calls $3.00, fold, fold

Flop: ($7.50, 2 players) A 6 T
Hero bets $5.00, BTN calls $5.00

Turn: ($17.50, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets $13.00, Hero calls $13.00

River: ($43.50, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, BTN bets $23.00, fold
09-11-2014 , 08:55 PM
I prefer a bet on the turn, but I don't hate a check. Regardless of my turn play this is one of the few rivers I'd c/f vs most (c/cing most blank rivers)
09-12-2014 , 02:50 AM
No other stats?

Also AJ is the top of your range on this river no?
09-12-2014 , 08:56 AM
I dont think that matters much lazaro unless villain is the type to bet something like jt on the turn and riv
09-12-2014 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Double_A
I dont think that matters much lazaro unless villain is the type to bet something like jt on the turn and riv
Other stats should help us see if villain is floating often or turning weaker hands into bluffs on later streets.
09-13-2014 , 07:35 AM
Yeah you're right. This is a very easy call vs those villains.
09-13-2014 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Lazaro
Other stats should help us see if villain is floating often or turning weaker hands into bluffs on later streets.
What stats indicate whether villain is turning weaker hands into bluffs?
09-13-2014 , 10:41 PM
You're better off checking the flop if you're going to fold after inducing a bluff on the turn and river.

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09-15-2014 , 12:40 AM
pretty solid line, depends on villains tendencies but seems fine overall. you are the top part of your range though
09-15-2014 , 06:34 AM
Well the floaty aggro players certainly need to be taken into consideration but...

We basically declare our hand by c/c the turn. I'd opt for the bet turn instead as to keep our perceived range a little wider.
09-15-2014 , 07:35 AM
Why did you choose to check turn rather than barrel and then decide to fold on river Qc?
09-15-2014 , 09:14 AM
Because the Q causes him to check back the river with a lot of hands he would bluff the turn with and increases his turn bet value range (kj). The qc has a much bigger affect on ranges than the 2c vs most players
09-15-2014 , 09:36 AM
Hmm I changed my mind, I really like a check on the turn. It seems our only chance to pot control the hand.

The villain wouldn't mind giving us a free river card if he had a draw or a thin value hand. He would be more scared of our raise and so check the turn back often planning a bluff or some thin value on the river.

When he bets the turn now, we know it's mostly air or nuts in his range and there arn't many nuts esp with the flop call. Therefore we can call the turn and about any river too.
09-15-2014 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Double_A
Because the Q causes him to check back the river with a lot of hands he would bluff the turn with and increases his turn bet value range (kj). The qc has a much bigger affect on ranges than the 2c vs most players
If he checks back we miss value agree?
Now if your folding to the Qc what other rivers are you folding too?
Hearts? etc
Reason I ask is because Im etcworking out if c/c T c/? R is a spew or not
09-15-2014 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazaro
No other stats?

Also AJ is the top of your range on this river no?
Why is AJ the top of our range? You're saying the best hand you get to this river here with is 1 pair?
09-15-2014 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Position
If he checks back we miss value agree?
The turn or river?

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Now if your folding to the Qc what other rivers are you folding too?
I've changed my mind on folding AJ. It's not at the top of my range, but there aren't as many value hands in villains range as I thought when I worked out the combos.

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Hearts? etc
Yeah I'm going to fold this is a heart lands.

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Reason I ask is because Im etcworking out if c/c T c/? R is a spew or not
Interesting. I wouldn't c/r our hand here since I think there's value in a call and it blocks some of villains flush draws, though it may be worth a c/r on a heart river.
09-15-2014 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by qazikm2000
Why is AJ the top of our range? You're saying the best hand you get to this river here with is 1 pair?
Huh?
09-16-2014 , 02:05 PM
gotta turn check, don't want his range narrowed and need to check somewhere
09-16-2014 , 10:03 PM
I can't see why you wouldn't bet the turn there are still a ton of draws you should be getting value from plus weaker aces and another random pairs. Can someone explain why you don't bet this turn. And as played I assume you have to call the river bet. Giving up on tons of value from weaker hands.
09-16-2014 , 10:24 PM
Knowing Hero's stats would be useful by way of knowing how likely Villain thinks he can float air/weak draws and take it away with a turn bet.

Not saying this line is bad in this particular hand but it's the kind of postflop play you see a lot from weakish regs.
09-17-2014 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Delzek15
I can't see why you wouldn't bet the turn there are still a ton of draws you should be getting value from plus weaker aces and another random pairs. Can someone explain why you don't bet this turn. And as played I assume you have to call the river bet. Giving up on tons of value from weaker hands.
What random pairs other than Ax are calling the turn bet in your opinion? How many FDs does villain really have given three broadways are dead?
09-17-2014 , 06:31 AM
If we are checking the turn should we not be calling the river?
09-17-2014 , 09:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delzek15
I can't see why you wouldn't bet the turn there are still a ton of draws you should be getting value from plus weaker aces and another random pairs. Can someone explain why you don't bet this turn. And as played I assume you have to call the river bet. Giving up on tons of value from weaker hands.
At last someone has pointed that betting turn is default.
09-17-2014 , 11:41 PM
We also block the nuts, which helps make a call fine.

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09-18-2014 , 06:19 AM
Check flop

      
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